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Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

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Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

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Life is short, few things are more meaningful and rewarding than raising human beings.

Then why don't men leave their fields in the same numbers as women after they have a kid?

At least in Asia, there's pressure for men to be providers (and they get socially disrespected if they can't). Not sure about the U.S. though.

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't personally think it's necessarily important for there to be "as many women in STEM as men." But I do think those women who want to be there shouldn't be de facto run out by sexist practices. I was a full-time wife and mom for a lot of years. I don't self identify as a feminist. But, post divorce, I've found that sexism has been a real issue in establishing an adequate income to support myself and my sons. So…

Do you think a stay home dad with equal employment gap would have an easier time rejoining a workforce ?

I have no idea. But I'm willing to guess he faces lower odds of being asked for a date by senior personnel in the better-paid department he would like to work in, thereby de facto closing doors in my face.

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

#43

I have yet to be told why it is important for there to be as many women in STEM as men apart from statements that I'm sexist for not knowing

The closer your field's demographics are to your society's, the lower the risk of (unconscious) bias is. Science as a whole should strive to be as unbiased as possible, as that's the closest we can get to objectivity. The same logic applies to businesses, to reduce the risk of making mistakes that come with echo chambers.

Is reducing bias the most important goal?

(Definitely not for me. Life today is much better than it was 50 years ago in communist Yugoslavia, despite higher inequality and bias, due to progress in science and business.)

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

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post #27

My wife's experience: PI: "You put your kid in front of the TV for 2 hours a day to get stuff done? That's terrible parenting." PI: "You will be late 1 day for a meaningless group presentation to your own lab, because your child is sick and can't go to daycare? Get your priorities straight."

Why was it your wife’s problem when the child was sick and not yours? EDIT: Sorry, I just assumed that you didn’t equally stay at home when the kid was sick. How did your boss react when you didn’t show up?

Note that it wasn’t him criticizing her - it was her boss, at least assuming PI means principal investigator.

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

#45

I have yet to be told why it is important for there to be as many women in STEM as men apart from statements that I'm sexist for not knowing

I don't personally think it's necessarily important for there to be "as many women in STEM as men." But I do think those women who want to be there shouldn't be de facto run out by sexist practices. I was a full-time wife and mom for a lot of years. I don't self identify as a feminist. But, post divorce, I've found that sexism has been a real issue in establishing an adequate income to support myself and my sons. So…

If you're comfortable, could you describe some of your experiences facing sexism? Did you experience this after you released information that you're a divorced parent?

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

#46
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what could be more fulfilling than [disruption|big data|reactive web|microservices|deep learning|tech evangelization|nosql]?

Verifiable delay functions!

I knew I was forgetting something!

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

#47

Completely anecdotal evidence, but every female coworker I've ever worked with has left work to raise their child after the first baby. Every single one of them said that they were definitely coming back before they went on maternity leave (and I believe that they believed it). The main issue in every case was that as the new mothers got to the end of their maternity leave, they started to think about day care. In th…

By the time you have two children the cost of child care is often similar to or greater than after tax income. It's just not really financially viable to work at that point.

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

#48
post #33

I have yet to be told why it is important for there to be as many women in STEM as men apart from statements that I'm sexist for not knowing

Let's say we live in a world (or small town) where there are only 16 software developers, 8 men, 8 women. 4 of the women are amazing top notch engineers, and so are 4 of the men. The other 4 men and 4 women are pretty good, but not nearly as good as the top developers. If a company needs to hire 10 people, and they hire men, they will not be able to fill their entire hiring need. Obviously a silly policy, and it leav…

Given the assumptions the example is obviously correct. What if there are 8 amazing men and 2 amazing women but quotas dictate to hire 50/50?

The other thing is that the labor pool is already too large, lies from the industry notwithstanding.

Re: Nearly Half of US Female Scientists Leave Full-Time Science After First Child

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post #27

My wife's experience: PI: "You put your kid in front of the TV for 2 hours a day to get stuff done? That's terrible parenting." PI: "You will be late 1 day for a meaningless group presentation to your own lab, because your child is sick and can't go to daycare? Get your priorities straight."

Why was it your wife’s problem when the child was sick and not yours? EDIT: Sorry, I just assumed that you didn’t equally stay at home when the kid was sick. How did your boss react when you didn’t show up?

It's perfectly valid option for a couple to choose together that the mother will take on a more significant role in caring for their children.
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