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Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by dangero »

std_throwawayay wrote: post #72
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

> MacBooks are worse now than they were since 2015. I won't upgrade until they get rid of the TouchBar. I would rather go back to Windows than use that stupid TouchBar. For me, the keyboard kills it. It feels cheap. It almost feels like there's no keys at all like the glass surface that is rumored to come. I'm sure that's great for people who are media consumers but producers of media and software often like to have…

I was afraid to buy a new Mac because of how people talk about the keyboard, but after a couple months of use I can say I actually like the new retina macbook air keyboard. I know this is anecdotal, but considering Macbook computer sales, I wonder if I’m in the majority. Yes it’s my daily driver and I create a lot of content. No finger pain. I think it helps me type faster.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by puranjay »

mastazi wrote: post #21
komali2 wrote: post #7

That's a weird glitch, and generally I'm not a fan of apple hardware (I think it's overpriced, that their keyboards suck, that they don't have enough ports, and I don't enjoy working in osx), but this article comes off as almost biblically haughty. Apple should have tests around clock updates affecting external audio quality? I mean, maybe after this bug being discovered, sure, but before, was that a connection that…

The article comes from CDM which is a music production website, MacBooks are very popular in that field, and basically all audio producers use external audio interfaces, it's not an uncommon use case. This is not the first time that this type of issues happens (from memory, last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine, a very popular music software). So I think the point that the artic…

Not just the hardware. Apple also makes the second most popular DAW. It's a billion dollar business for them.

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Post by Tepix »

bad_user wrote: post #158
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

You may not upgrade to the next iPhone model, but are you going to switch to another platform? If not, then you're still in Apple's ecosystem and generating some revenue and opportunity for them, aren't you? iPhones age better than other phones. You can also get them to a service and get a batter replacement and they're like brand new after two years of use. You can't really say the same thing about the other phone m…

The percentage of people with Macbooks at conferences has decreased a lot. It used to be >50% at the conferences i was attending. Nowadays it's more like 15%. You also see a lot of Dell XPS, Thinkpads etc.

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Post by dep_b »

The advice to just run to Windows for pro audio uses is really something I wouldn't like to be accounted for. Sure, I had a stable rig with tight MIDI and audio decades ago but I was a pretty huge geek and started with quality components to begin with (the Asus P2B was almost godlike in performance and stability) with of course just a bit of good old luck.

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Post by timc3 »

rbanffy wrote: post #131
mastazi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article comes from CDM which is a music production website, MacBooks are very popular in that field, and basically all audio producers use external audio interfaces, it's not an uncommon use case. This is not the first time that this type of issues happens (from memory, last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine, a very popular music software). So I think the point that the artic…

> Last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine When you sell packaged software you'd better make sure it runs with the next version of the OS. All registered Apple software developers have access to beta software, including OSs, for a very long time before launch, precisely to prevent things like this.

It actually caused problems a large percentage of the most popular audio software and it was interesting to see which software developers could get the software out first.

The trouble with the beta was it wasn't exactly the same as what shipped which caused delays of several months in most instances.

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Post by [deleted] »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #149
tobylane wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has people no longer willing to pay for iPhones. Everywhere else it's not changed much year on year. There was great demand for stock buybacks, Apple resisted for a while. I'm surprised to hear a need for 512GB storage, I'd be interested to know how that's used. The upgrade to XS is only minor from the X according to the reviews I've seen/seen summarised. A yearly upgrade isn't common, isn't their target.

I am sure the brokers who arrange the buy backs love them - all that nice $ Personally id rather have the dividend myself - that's real cash in my account not some vague if we spend x billion the share price might go up.

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Post by mihaifm »

bad_user wrote: post #158
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

You may not upgrade to the next iPhone model, but are you going to switch to another platform? If not, then you're still in Apple's ecosystem and generating some revenue and opportunity for them, aren't you? iPhones age better than other phones. You can also get them to a service and get a batter replacement and they're like brand new after two years of use. You can't really say the same thing about the other phone m…

My Iphone 6 is still going strong after 4 years. Replaced the screen myself twice and battery once, planning to do a second battery replacement. There's no killer feature in the other models that would determine me to upgrade.

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Post by truculent »

bad_user wrote: post #158
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

You may not upgrade to the next iPhone model, but are you going to switch to another platform? If not, then you're still in Apple's ecosystem and generating some revenue and opportunity for them, aren't you? iPhones age better than other phones. You can also get them to a service and get a batter replacement and they're like brand new after two years of use. You can't really say the same thing about the other phone m…

> This need to update your phone every year or every two years is insane, the peak of consumerism.

I'd happily still use my iphone 4 if I could. The problem is the software bloat means that even the latest compatible version is really slow. Not to mention that it means that I no longer get the latest version of apps or security fixes (due to stopped software updates).

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by timc3 »

gumbi_nz wrote: post #82
deng wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This glitch is just another nail in the coffin for using Macs in professional audio setups. Another serious issue is the massively outdated Mac Pro. Yes, a new one will come this year, but many people have switched already. See for instance https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2019/2/7/pro-tool...

I find that truly bizarre. Would people seriously prefer to run a commercial studio and Pro Tools on a windows machine? I've run Logic across a number of versions on various Mac Pros and they're rock solid. I could almost guarantee a very different experience on a PC ....

In commercial environments the OS starts to not matter so much. The machine is literally bought for one purpose and that alone.

I have worked in environments where vendors actually give a proper legally binding guarantee that Windows boxes work as expected and they charge accordingly.

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

hrktb wrote: post #102
jamesb93 wrote: post #95

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I don't understand what people are talking about when they say they get gouged by phones. Mine cost 180 USD in 2016. I still use it everyday and I get over 10 hours screen time. The issue is people conflate everyday devices of utility with fashion products (Apple, Google Pixel).

To give another angle, my iPad Pro cost around 1000€. The iPhone X is about the same price. Event taking into account miniaturization, waterproofing and just “luxury” tax, it’s insane that both products cost the same when their capabilities are so wildly different. I know there are reasons (like paying licensing and cetification for the cellular stack, and pure greed), I just feel they are wrong reasons.

I doubt cellular stack certification is what's driving prices up. I used to make mobile phones back in the late 90's, and even then we constructed mobile phones as an n-way system.

The cellular stack runs on a subsystem on it's own, and all communication to that system is done through the good old fashioned Hayes Command set (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set).

This subsystem is responsible for everything cellular, and it is certified by itself, meaning when you make a new phone model, you put in the same certified chip as you did in the last n models, and it's automatically certified (wrt to the stack anyway).

There are still FCC/CE certifications to be passed for all electronic devices, as well as devices containing radio emitters, but those are cheap in comparison.

Apple has always priced their products on a level of what they think people are willing to pay. It is a luxury product, and they (used to) spend a lot of time making sure it feels like it. From the very moment you enter the store, to you open the box, to the onboarding experience.

Most Chinese manufacturers have more of less copied the experience since then.

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