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“Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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That's the difference though. This isn't a warrant against a person. It's a warrant against "anyone who google recorded as being in an area"

...so? It would be like if the warrant was for the log book of who checked into a hotel during a certian timeframe.

Not really no. That would be clear. This would be like if the warrant was for everyone who checked into "the hotel or hotels within a polygon defined by these coordinates"

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post #76

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If your goal is to arrest someone for the crime, then this may be the best way; but if you optimise society for catching criminals you aren't optimising for prosperity, comfort or sustainability. The country with the greatest personal liberty, currently probably the US, is consistently a place that people would choose to live if they had a choice. This is a hint that moving away from personal liberty will end up with…

> The country with the greatest personal liberty, currently probably the US, is consistently a place that people would choose to live if they had a choice You haven't been around the world very much, have you? I wouldn't say that many people in the Nordic countries, for example, would choose to move to the US. If they do, liberty is certainly not among the reasons why.

If I'm strictly honest, I'd choose Switzerland. But there is not really any evidence that the models of countries that small can scale to any meaningful number of people; which is the same problem the Nordics have. The geography of economics doesn't really work in a linear way. At the 100M+ people America stands out.

Even if you want to make the argument that the US is coming 2nd to the EU or 3rd to someone else; it doesn't really alter the core point here. People prefer liberty; they aren't going to move to, say, China despite the fact that China is developing a more sophisticated surveillance network that will be used to fight crime.

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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post #92
post #85

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> The country with the greatest personal liberty, currently probably the US, is consistently a place that people would choose to live if they had a choice You haven't been around the world very much, have you? I wouldn't say that many people in the Nordic countries, for example, would choose to move to the US. If they do, liberty is certainly not among the reasons why.

If I'm strictly honest, I'd choose Switzerland. But there is not really any evidence that the models of countries that small can scale to any meaningful number of people; which is the same problem the Nordics have. The geography of economics doesn't really work in a linear way. At the 100M+ people America stands out. Even if you want to make the argument that the US is coming 2nd to the EU or 3rd to someone else; it…

Please note that my point wasn't about making a pissing contest on which country is the best or whether the US should adopt anything from any other country. I was simply replying to the claim that America is the beacon of liberty that everyone wants to go move to. That's a bit ridiculous statement to a bunch of people around the world.

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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In Germany the "Funkzellenabfrage" ("reverse location" request by cell) provided by the providers is used quite often. On the last Chaos Communication Congress there was a talk about this and the police uses it quite frequently. The guesses were that on average every german phone is identified multiple times per year during this procedure. According to the Berlin statistics from 2017 there were nearly 450 requests re…

"Funkzellenabfrage" - That's a great word. Is there a word describing the ability of the German language to condense English phrases into a single word? :)

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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In Germany the "Funkzellenabfrage" ("reverse location" request by cell) provided by the providers is used quite often. On the last Chaos Communication Congress there was a talk about this and the police uses it quite frequently. The guesses were that on average every german phone is identified multiple times per year during this procedure. According to the Berlin statistics from 2017 there were nearly 450 requests re…

"Funkzellenabfrage" - That's a great word. Is there a word describing the ability of the German language to condense English phrases into a single word? :)

I think this would come under "agglutination"[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutination

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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question: can an appeals judge later throw out the warrant, if the judge applied the law "incorrectly"? This technique makes sense for cops . For a lot of killings there's a lit of potential suspects so this weeds out all but a few.

IANAL but I think the law says "if the judge says its okay, its okay."

>>"if the judge says its okay, its okay."

Sure but a superior judge can overrule the previous judge.

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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>The country with the greatest personal liberty, currently probably the US What's their prison population again?

There's countries where the percentage is lower, yet it's basically illegal to criticize the government. More importantly, what does that change about the argument that arresting criminals is hardly the only thing to consider? Here's the same argument with enhanced contrast: If you threw Earth into the sun, all crimes would stop. If that's all we care about, everything else is just kicking the can down the road. But…

Are you ignorant or choosing to ignore how much of the prison population is there due to criminalising the use of narcotics and much of the violent crimes committed is a result of this policy? Are you also ignorant or choosing to ignore that the policy has been used to target especially minorities who get sentenced much more often than whites despite drug use being at similar levels across races?

Calling all these people simply "criminals" is a bit too straightforward term when the system has been set up to mainly jail black men for crimes that have no clear victim. That's a serious issue for a country that claims to be all about liberty.

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>The country with the greatest personal liberty, currently probably the US What's their prison population again?

There's countries where the percentage is lower, yet it's basically illegal to criticize the government. More importantly, what does that change about the argument that arresting criminals is hardly the only thing to consider? Here's the same argument with enhanced contrast: If you threw Earth into the sun, all crimes would stop. If that's all we care about, everything else is just kicking the can down the road. But…

Excuse me, what? I think you should step out of whatever propaganda feed you are sucked in.

Literally all of the EU have a massively lower rate and in none of the countries it is remotely illegal to criticize the government.

In Germany for example, you have multiple programs on TV dedicated to make political satire of current politics. On basically tax funded TV.

And you won't have your name published for criticizing the white house [1] like in the country some people apparently unironically think of as the place with the most personal freedom.

[1] http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/15/white_hous...

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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post #54

In Germany the "Funkzellenabfrage" ("reverse location" request by cell) provided by the providers is used quite often. On the last Chaos Communication Congress there was a talk about this and the police uses it quite frequently. The guesses were that on average every german phone is identified multiple times per year during this procedure. According to the Berlin statistics from 2017 there were nearly 450 requests re…

"Funkzellenabfrage" - That's a great word. Is there a word describing the ability of the German language to condense English phrases into a single word? :)

Bandwurmwort (https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bandwurmwort)

"tapeworm word" in English.

Basically, they are compound words.

Re: “Reverse location” search warrants identify all cellphones near a crime scene

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post #87

The interesting point would be if its repeat crime by the same person. Say that the same cell phone has been at several crime scenes during the crime period. The combined data set/cluster of cell phones present at the time during crime scenes would be interesting for the police.

Or maybe casing places/people for something they want to do later. You know...pre-crime.
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