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Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by fingerlocks »

jedberg wrote: post #69
threeseed wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You definitely ticked all the cliches. Complains about: 1) Apple products being expensive but buys the most expensive one. 2) Being forced to use iTunes even though it hasn't been needed for any reason for quite some time. 3) Quality getting progressively worse based purely on anecdotes. And of course the "I own Apple products and shares therefore my opinion is important" line. Always a classic.

I just had to use ITunes the other day. It’s the only way to load an ipsw onto an iPhone.

You can also use Xcode. Or at least you could a few years ago.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jamesb93 »

blihp wrote: post #77
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Consumers. (i.e. casual computer users who aren't terribly demanding in any particular dimension) Unfortunately they've been flocking in for the 'just works' Apple reputation as it is being un-earned by Apple. But for many in this group, it's probably good enough vs. what they were using before.

You sound like someone who has never had to deal with the horrific experience that is ASIO drivers. People use Mac because CoreAudio is great and obviously windows can't be trusted in a live setting due to the many already documented issues that it has with updating/crashing etc.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by deng »

gumbi_nz wrote: post #82
deng wrote: post #68

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This glitch is just another nail in the coffin for using Macs in professional audio setups. Another serious issue is the massively outdated Mac Pro. Yes, a new one will come this year, but many people have switched already. See for instance https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2019/2/7/pro-tool...

I find that truly bizarre. Would people seriously prefer to run a commercial studio and Pro Tools on a windows machine? I've run Logic across a number of versions on various Mac Pros and they're rock solid. I could almost guarantee a very different experience on a PC ....

I find it truly bizarre that there are people who actually still buy a Mac Pro. Just look at the shop page. They sell that thing for 4k$ with 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD. It's completely bonkers. If you need a high-powered audio machine with dedicated PCI-E ports today(!), there's simply no alternative to a Windows PC. And yes, Windows can do audio just fine; you either invest the work and carefully choose components and build it yourself, or you buy it readily from 3XS, VisionDAW, whatever.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by Slartie »

rachelbythebay wrote: post #18

Guessing here, but ... CLOCK_MONOTONIC for the win?

Would guess that as well. Very common error, which comes in many fashions and which can be made in practically any language. I'm mostly working in Java, where it's the same thing with System.currentTimeMillis() used instead of System.nanoTime() to measure and/or enforce timespans (because "you know, nanoseconds are so unwieldy, and milliseconds are so nice on the eyes, and I only needed millisecond precision...and anyway, who on earth would change the clock while our software is running...").

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jamesb93 »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #83
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

When it comes to (smart)phones, you don't really have much choice. You either consent to being exploited by Google, or you pay a pound of flesh to Apple. As for the pricing of the phones, nobody is forcing you to upgrade every year. I've done that ever since the original iPhone came out, but when i bought the X, i also decided to only upgrade every 2-3 years to justify the cost. MacBooks are a sad story though. I'm "…

I don't understand what people are talking about when they say they get gouged by phones. Mine cost 180 USD in 2016. I still use it everyday and I get over 10 hours screen time. The issue is people conflate everyday devices of utility with fashion products (Apple, Google Pixel).

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by jamesb93 »

rock_artist wrote: post #64

I'm a former full-time musician working as an audio dev those days. Developing audio-plugins (AU) make you use a lot of DAWs (digital-audio-workstations). There's some issue with Logic Pro X that has been logged for quite a while now. A few days ago I heard the reason it isn't addressed for more than a year now... The developer in-charge on that feature isn't allowed to access other parts of code needed for fixing th…

Did you ever come across how they map parameters inside the VST/AU standard? Everyone else does 0 -> 1. They do 1 -> 120 or something completely boffed.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

sbr464 wrote: post #61
tmikaeld wrote: post #38

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As mentioned in the comments on the link, it doesn't work. It just lowers the amount of "clicks". I noticed the bug the same day the Mac mini 2018 came out and have found no solution.

Ah, that sucks. It’s definitely pretty bad, especially for a 6-8k+ machine.

Certain applications - Sibelius seems particularly bad - cause audio glitches that can be cured by restarting coreaudiod.

The other glitching problem I've had is in Ableton Live, where every thirty seconds or so the sound from the audio inputs glitches and breaks up, which makes Live useless for any kind of recording.

This is a known Live bug that has been around for a long time. It seems to be caused by the built-in audio devices competing with external hardware.

Certainly Apple are a long, long way from "It just works" now.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by isostatic »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #79
iainmerrick wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Lots of salt in this thread. I have a Mac because I enjoy it the most for software development. It's not a status symbol because, well, almost everyone here has a Mac. The alternatives are Windows-based laptops - who often lag behind software development support (e.g. ports), or Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use. I use Windows at home for not-development and have used both Windows and Linux fo…

> Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use.

For you perhaps. I've used desktop/laptop linux for nearly 20 years and it works just fine, millions of others do too.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by satysin »

Interesting as I don't seem to have this issue on the two 2018 MBP I've had. Originally I had a release day i7/32GB/1TB/560X model but it had a power/charging issue so Apple replaced it with an i9 model which has been perfect.

I have worried a lot about the keyboard breaking but so far it has been fine. I actually really like working on it now with the exception of the TouchBar which is the most useless change to keyboard design in years.

I really enjoy this laptop. I bought it after two years of pain buying, replacing and ultimately returning sub-par Windows laptops from Dell, Lenovo and Microsoft.

Apple gets a lot of hate in the tech press (and regular press sometimes) whereas people seem to accept far worse issues from only-slightly-cheaper Dell, Microsoft, etc. laptops.

The Dell XPS 15 9570 has far worse audio issues (DPC latency, crackling/popping speakers), coil whine on the majority of units shipped, keyboard issues (ironically I had more keyboard issues with my XPS 15) and much worse thermal throttling compared to the MBP 2018. Sleep issues (honestly just support S3 ffs)

I had a Surface Book 2 with a whole host of issues as well. From thermal throttling, constant BSOD/crashing when de/reattaching the performance base, pen input skipping and a whole host of silly-but-annoying software issues and of course sleep issues because not even Microsoft's own hardware works properly with their new S0i3 Connected Standby crap.

The MBP isn't perfect. The constant anxiety that something will kill the keyboard sucks but on the whole it is without a doubt the best modern laptop I have used in that it has the least issues. It sleeps when I close the lid, it also comes back on instantly, it never needs to be rebooted to get things working again, screen is stunning, runs cool and quiet when not being pushed with no random spinning up of the fans for a few minutes, etc.

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