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Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by knolan »

csomar wrote: post #40
siquick wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this getting downvoted. Had my MBA for 6 years and worked perfectly the whole time, just needed to install a new battery after 4 years but that was a personal preference. I've had my MBP w/o touch bar for 13 months and I seriously regret spending $2300 on it. - The keyboard is continually sticking, the left Command key is now completely separated from the keyboard and falls out all the time. I make so ma…

I might be the exception here but the 2018 Macbook Pro keyboard is the best I've typed on. It is accurate, quiet, requires very little effort to push the buttons. I don't feel muscle fatigue typing on it. > and people also complain about how loud the keyboard is when Im typing. We must not be using the same keyboard. The mbp is quietest I've even used to date. Everything else doesn't even come close. > The battery li…

In fairness the new rubber gaskets they added to the keys of 2018 model to prevent dust ingress significantly reduces the keyboard noise compared to previous models.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by std_throwawayay »

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

> MacBooks are worse now than they were since 2015. I won't upgrade until they get rid of the TouchBar. I would rather go back to Windows than use that stupid TouchBar.

For me, the keyboard kills it. It feels cheap. It almost feels like there's no keys at all like the glass surface that is rumored to come. I'm sure that's great for people who are media consumers but producers of media and software often like to have a keyboard. To me it feels like they missed the market and try to sell products at premium price to normal customers.

Also, the lack of HDMI and one USB-A port on each side would hinder my workflow.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by adrianhel »

What is happening with Macs?

My butterfly keyboard repeats keys. This easily halves my typing speed. (Or rather "Itt easily halves my ttyping speed")

Yesterday my machine got stuck booting with a black screen after running out of battery with the backlight turned off.

Also, the keyboards have gone from making virtually no sound to making loud clicking sounds.

I have also had a glitch where the sound gets distorted.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by lfxyz »

docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

iTunes is terrible, but you don't have to use it – I got my MBP at Xmas 2014 and still haven't accepted the iTunes EULA.

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Post by adrianhel »

mk89 wrote: post #50
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

>Apple is the richest company in the world, and instead of paying their engineers top wages, Any numbers saying that they earn just an average salary? Also, why would the touchbar be an engineering issue? Some people like it. (I don't) I do understand your concerns and I agree with some of them, I just don't believe it's because they pay their engineers less, or they are not good enough. Some decisions come from top…

The engineering issue is a lack of accidental touch sensing. Mac did this with the caps lock key (which is arguably easier to implement). The feature feels half baked.

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Post by blihp »

iainmerrick wrote: post #45
mastazi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article comes from CDM which is a music production website, MacBooks are very popular in that field, and basically all audio producers use external audio interfaces, it's not an uncommon use case. This is not the first time that this type of issues happens (from memory, last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine, a very popular music software). So I think the point that the artic…

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Consumers. (i.e. casual computer users who aren't terribly demanding in any particular dimension) Unfortunately they've been flocking in for the 'just works' Apple reputation as it is being un-earned by Apple. But for many in this group, it's probably good enough vs. what they were using before.

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

threeseed wrote: post #51
docker_up wrote: post #41

Apple appears to be coming to some sort of head at this point. This is speaking as someone heavily invested in Apple products and shares. Their iPhones have reached a peak, where it appears people are no longer willing to pay so much for them. They are too damn expensive, with nothing to justify their costs. I am one of the morons who upgraded to the XS, but only because I needed the 512GB storage. If not for the inc…

You definitely ticked all the cliches. Complains about: 1) Apple products being expensive but buys the most expensive one. 2) Being forced to use iTunes even though it hasn't been needed for any reason for quite some time. 3) Quality getting progressively worse based purely on anecdotes. And of course the "I own Apple products and shares therefore my opinion is important" line. Always a classic.

RE 2:

iTunes is the only way to get a local iPhone backup.

For those who don’t care how their phone is backed up, iTunes is the only way to fully backup their phone at all without paying for iCloud.

iTunes is the only way I can listen to Apple Music on my Mac.

iTunes is the only way I can create smart music playlists for my phone (Which is ridiculous, but I digress)

I can’t wait until I’m not forced to use iTunes.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

iainmerrick wrote: post #45
mastazi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article comes from CDM which is a music production website, MacBooks are very popular in that field, and basically all audio producers use external audio interfaces, it's not an uncommon use case. This is not the first time that this type of issues happens (from memory, last year an OSX update broke compatibility with Native Instruments Maschine, a very popular music software). So I think the point that the artic…

music producers are one of the most Apple-leaning crowds, and yet they feel like they are being ignored by Apple. [...] this is a small market in the grand scheme of things. This is the same point that’s often made about developers. But if it’s not developers and it’s not music producers, what is the large market for Macs that dwarfs everything else? And are they at least getting the products and features they want?

Lots of salt in this thread. I have a Mac because I enjoy it the most for software development. It's not a status symbol because, well, almost everyone here has a Mac. The alternatives are Windows-based laptops - who often lag behind software development support (e.g. ports), or Linux which is still just not good enough for desktop use. I use Windows at home for not-development and have used both Windows and Linux for software development so this isn't a biased opinion.

The hardware budget from my employer also helps.

Re: Apple’s Latest Macs Have a Serious Audio Glitching Bug

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Post by gmueckl »

ascar wrote: post #44
panic wrote: post #11

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Part of the problem is that it's hard to determine all the possible situations you could be in -- changing the time during a DST transition while using the Islamic calendar and so on. Formal methods are relatively inaccessible in general, but I wonder if you could make an easy-to-use verification tool specifically focused on date/time code.

You are right that it's near impossible and unpractical to test all edgecases. But your example goes into the wrong direction. Shouldn't you build your system completely agnostic of time interpretation changes? A DST transition is not actually changing the time. The bug here seems to be coming from system clock updates. I honestly also never thought testing against system clock updates. If I schedule something to hap…

Not all parts of a system can be independent of changes to how time is interpreted or displayed. E.g. in a calendar: what happens to the time of a recurring meeting after a DST transition? What if participants are in different time zones with different DST rules?

But as long as you only need to track time for dealing with time intervals in an abstract fashion, you can get away with a nice continuous and monotonous scalar representation of timestamps.

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