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Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by fenwick67 »

d2wa wrote: post #40
ytjohn wrote: post #9

One of them that will, or at least should be able to continue, is scuttlebutt. Scuttlebutt clients on an isolated LAN can share messages with each other. To go beyond the LAN, you point at a "pub server", which anyone can host anywhere. Yes, only russian-based pub servers will be available, and that assumes they are using russian based DNS to point to them (or have a known static IP). However, for the test of communi…

Are there any Russia-based pub servers for Scuttlebutt? Are clients configured to use these by default? Do they rely on any outside infrastructure (e.g. an authoritative DNS server located outside of Russia)?

Scuttlebutt does not come with any bootstrap nodes. You have to either get a pub invite or talk over mdns. Manyverse (a mobile client) also let's you coordinate connections with friends over the kademlia DHT. Most pubs do use DNS for their addresses.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by fenwick67 »

state_less wrote: post #26
ytjohn wrote: post #9

One of them that will, or at least should be able to continue, is scuttlebutt. Scuttlebutt clients on an isolated LAN can share messages with each other. To go beyond the LAN, you point at a "pub server", which anyone can host anywhere. Yes, only russian-based pub servers will be available, and that assumes they are using russian based DNS to point to them (or have a known static IP). However, for the test of communi…

Isn't the design motivated in part because one (or more) of the key contributors actually are/were sailors? https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/05/meet-...

Yes, and that's why it's called "scuttlebutt".

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by wongarsu »

ForHackernews wrote: post #30
wongarsu wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One person is enough. If one person inside Runet receives blocks from the wider internet (via satellite or other means), their client will automatically forward the blocks to all clients they are connected to, quickly spreading them accross Russia. And because Bitcoin follows the chain of blocks that took the most work to create, latency isn't an issue. Mining (and making a profit while doing so) is more latency sens…

Is there even much mining in Russia? My understanding is the overwhelming majority of bitcoin mining is in China.

Mining is mostly a game of getting cheap electricity, and it's hard to beat China (where infrastructure construction is often about creating jobs and projecting power instead of classic profitability).

It seems like electricity prices in Russia are similar to the US. The legal position of bitcoin seems to be worse in Russia though, so you would expect less mining than in the US, and a lot less than in China.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by colordrops »

Etheryte wrote: post #22
colordrops wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin?

While in theory Bitcoin is decentralized, in practice roughly half of the coins in existence are from a single mining company and 74% of global mining power currently resides in China, belonging to a handful of owners. https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/report-links-74-bitcoin...

Yet no one can prevent you from using Bitcoin or take away your coins. Seems the protocol design has been highly successful at keeping the functionality itself decentralized.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by lightgreen »

ascii_only wrote: post #19
lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

I don't think you are being honest in your attempt to search. It takes no time to find reliable sources for this. Here is for example article from Tass: https://tass.ru/obschestvo/5914675

This article doesn’t say about “nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet” either.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by lightgreen »

d2wa wrote: post #37
lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

There is a source for this from Newsweek at the bottom of the original article. It’s been reported by the BBC as well.

I’m sorry for BBC and Newsweek for spreading misinformation.

Newsweek doesn’t provide the source of information they don’t mention which official told them so so I believe they found it on some other news website and added own comments.

I cannot find BBC article but I recall some BBC article was referencing RBC news.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by lightgreen »

lstodd wrote: post #16
lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

Why, it does mention them. > Therefore, they came to the conclusion that market participants need to organize exercises or something similar in order to understand how all this can be implemented in practice. Edit: also this https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/15/02/2019/5c666af39...

There’s huge difference between some experiments on network equipment which doesn’t affect network connectivity and “nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet”.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by lightgreen »

d2wa wrote: post #37
lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

There is a source for this from Newsweek at the bottom of the original article. It’s been reported by the BBC as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47198426

This BBC article. It makes that statement I the first paragraph in bold and then in the second paragraph they explain that they meant the opposite. But who reads past the second paragraph, rights?

I’m so disappointed at BBC. They spread lie and misinformation.

Russia is an authoritarian state, but it doesn’t automatically make all the junk they write about Russia true.

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