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Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by slaymaker1907 »

ezoe wrote: post #5

The last time I checked IPFS is a joke. There are only two implementations of IPFS protocol and both come from the same group of developers. On the other hand, there are so many BitTorrent protocol implementations from totally independent group of developers. Also, the namespace system of IPFS is just beyond stupid. They openly recommend relying the traditional central DNS to resolve the human readable name to hash.…

Is server side JS a joke because there is basically one implementation, Node? Number of independent implementations is a mostly useless metric in the FOSS world.

* it is not useless for proprietary software since then reliance on a single vendor is a much more serious issue.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by colordrops »

zzzcpan wrote: post #4

The sad reality of modern "decentralized" software is that organizations, people behind it don't even have any intentions to make it decentralized, to give up control, like BitTorrent did. Nobody cares about the main thing that decentralization is all about - making rule/law enforcement on others practically impossible. There was a great series of posts about decentralization from BitTorrent people recently: https://…

Bitcoin?

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by lightgreen »

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone

I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this:

https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/02/2019/5c5c51069...

It discusses this topic but doesn’t mention experiments or temporary disconnect. Could be redacted though.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by mattlondon »

zzzcpan wrote: post #4

The sad reality of modern "decentralized" software is that organizations, people behind it don't even have any intentions to make it decentralized, to give up control, like BitTorrent did. Nobody cares about the main thing that decentralization is all about - making rule/law enforcement on others practically impossible. There was a great series of posts about decentralization from BitTorrent people recently: https://…

> the main thing that decentralization is all about - making rule/law enforcement on others practically impossible

Citation needed.

As far as I am aware, the main aim for dweb stuff is decentralisation, i.e. removing single points of failure, providing a more democratised means for people to store and distribute materials, and lofty-but-perhaps-unrealistic-ideas (if this article is accurate) about community networks separate from the "main internet".

Nowhere on DATs or IPFSs sites for example have I seen anything at all about evading the law? Please can you share your sources for this as it is news to me.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by lstodd »

lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

Why, it does mention them.

> Therefore, they came to the conclusion that market participants need to organize exercises or something similar in order to understand how all this can be implemented in practice.

Edit:

also this

https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/15/02/2019/5c666af39...

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by rklaehn »

ezoe wrote: post #5

The last time I checked IPFS is a joke. There are only two implementations of IPFS protocol and both come from the same group of developers. On the other hand, there are so many BitTorrent protocol implementations from totally independent group of developers. Also, the namespace system of IPFS is just beyond stupid. They openly recommend relying the traditional central DNS to resolve the human readable name to hash.…

There is a version of libp2p written in rust, developed by parity.io: https://github.com/libp2p/rust-libp2p .

IPFS is much younger than bittorrent, so it is not surprising that there are not as many implementations. I am not sure why that makes it "a joke".

All that is needed for IPFS to function in a russia-only internet are a few russian bootstrap nodes. Bootstrap nodes are not in any way special, so any node can serve as a bootstrap node.

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by PavlovsCat »

lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

recent discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19135085

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19132665

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by ascii_only »

lightgreen wrote: post #14

> Russia is preparing a nation-wide experiment where the whole country temporarily disconnects from the global Internet to see if the country can rely on Runet alone I think this is lie, fake news and misinformation. I tried to find the source of it. Lots of site quote RBC website (more or less respectful news agency in Russia). The closest article on this subject is this: https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/08/0…

I don't think you are being honest in your attempt to search. It takes no time to find reliable sources for this. Here is for example article from Tass:

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/5914675

Re: Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet

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Post by gregknicholson »

ytjohn wrote: post #9

One of them that will, or at least should be able to continue, is scuttlebutt. Scuttlebutt clients on an isolated LAN can share messages with each other. To go beyond the LAN, you point at a "pub server", which anyone can host anywhere. Yes, only russian-based pub servers will be available, and that assumes they are using russian based DNS to point to them (or have a known static IP). However, for the test of communi…

> To go beyond the LAN, you point at a "pub server", which anyone can host anywhere.

You could also get messages into and out of Russia by physically moving a laptop or phone with a Scuttlebutt client.

Forgive my ignorance here but, supposing there was a mesh network spanning across the block, would Tor, cjdns, Hyperboria or Yggdrasil be low-level enough to get around a block like this?

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