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Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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Post by balls187 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #752
balls187 wrote: post #714

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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. First, state income tax is exactly that, income tax imposed by the state, and governed by the state. There may be local jurisdictions that impose additional income tax but any savings there would be trivial. While sports are important to the local economy, my understanding is that they are relatively minor at the state level. Second, LeBron (and other athletes) earn playing in…

LeBron (and other athletes) earn playing income in every jurisdiction they play in, not based solely on the jurisdiction that the team is based in. ... This means they are responsible for filing taxes in each of these jurisdiction. Do you have a citation for this? I'm skeptical. I live and work in Texas. When I travel to my company's office in NJ, effectively earning income for a week in that state, I don't pay NJ in…

Unfortunately I am not an accountant and cannot give you tax advise, however, NJ has a non-resident income tax form, which you may be required to file: https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/taxtables.shtml

Edit to add: According to my interpretation of this: https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/pdf/current/1040nr...

Assuming your income is over $20,000, you ARE required to file a NJ state tax return.

Also, note that even if you don't file a tax return, doesn't mean you are exempted from doing so.

Example, as a citizen of Texas, you are also required to pay use tax on any items aquired out of state/country and used in the state. My assumption is that you don't also pay that either, even thought you are legally required to do so. It turns out that use Tax is particularly difficult to audit and collect for, especially without a mandatory return like state income tax.

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Post by JCharante »

ilovetux wrote: post #747
JCharante wrote: post #720

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Animal cruelty is a great analogy because the people who oppose it, which are the minority, are more vocal than those who are proponents of it, which make up the majority.

Who are proponents of animal cruelty besides dog/cock fighting fans/operators? I doubt that these groups form a majority.

I can only speak from my personal experience from living in Perú and the US. So I'd say that the majority of Peruvians and Americans support animal cruelty with the decisions that they make every week at the grocery store.

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Post by ilovetux »

Anarcissie wrote: post #767
ilovetux wrote: post #747

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Who are proponents of animal cruelty besides dog/cock fighting fans/operators? I doubt that these groups form a majority.

If they know how most food animals are treated, which seems likely, then most people who eat meat are OK with severe, sometimes grotesque cruelty. It goes beyond opinion: they put their money down for it.

from merriam Webster online [0]

> Definition of proponent: one who argues in favor of something

Even if people are enabling something doesn't mean that they are proponents. Let's stop with the newspeak and use the correct words for things please.

[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proponent

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Post by WillPostForFood »

bluecalm wrote: post #613
loeg wrote: post #430

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The point stands — it's taking money out of the pockets of NYC residents, and delivering it to AMZN shareholders.

Tax cuts/credits are not taking money of NYC residents. Actually the residents will get less money than if the deal was made. I hope this is obvious.

It is clearly not obvious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19163755

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Post by iterati »

JDiculous wrote: post #740

As someone who lived in NYC for 5 years, I can't understand how anyone can not consider this a loss to NYC. Don't get me wrong I hate corporate welfare as much as anyone else and I have no desire to work for Amazon because it seems like a corporate sweatshop, but 25k jobs at an average $100k+ salary would've been a boon to the city, even despite the $3 billion in tax subsidies. The additional revenue for workers and…

> The subway for people commuting into LIC for work is probably currently fairly empty, so the subway could accommodate them. (The same cannot be said of the reverse. Commuting from Astoria, Queens or Williamsburg, Brooklyn into Manhattan for work during rush hour is horrible).

I lived in Greenpoint and Sunnyside for 3 years ~5 years ago and either took a train from LIC into the city or through LIC. They were always busy. Just because no one is going to LIC for work doesn't mean that they don't have to use the same trains that would be used to go to LIC. The 7 is a crowded line as are the orange and blue lines that go through. The only line that wouldn't be incredibly crowded is the G, and even that isn't fairly empty going to Court as it's a popular way to get to midtown if you live near the G.

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Post by JDiculous »

sailingparrot wrote: post #745
JDiculous wrote: post #740

As someone who lived in NYC for 5 years, I can't understand how anyone can not consider this a loss to NYC. Don't get me wrong I hate corporate welfare as much as anyone else and I have no desire to work for Amazon because it seems like a corporate sweatshop, but 25k jobs at an average $100k+ salary would've been a boon to the city, even despite the $3 billion in tax subsidies. The additional revenue for workers and…

> "maybe the city isn't capable of managing itself and stemming the pitfalls of gentrification" You seem to understand pretty well why some are not seeing this as a loss after all.

Yea, the more I research this, the more I realize that this is the crux of the issue. The residents have no faith that the politicians will stem gentrification.

The affordable housing crisis and congestion will only be further exacerbated. Your average Queens resident who's already barely making her rent will see rents skyrocket, forcing her to move out and further into the boondocks come lease renewal time.

I think the opposition reflects a dissatisfaction with the politicians/administrators who run their city more than a hatred of Amazon.

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Post by ilovetux »

JCharante wrote: post #772
ilovetux wrote: post #747

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Who are proponents of animal cruelty besides dog/cock fighting fans/operators? I doubt that these groups form a majority.

I can only speak from my personal experience from living in Perú and the US. So I'd say that the majority of Peruvians and Americans support animal cruelty with the decisions that they make every week at the grocery store.

Being a financial supporter does not make one a proponent. There is nobody out there that I know of (maybe lobbyists) who actively argue that there should be more animal cruelty.

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Post by iterati »

JDiculous wrote: post #676
bobthepanda wrote: post #182

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LIC is one of the most heavily redeveloped areas in the city with 40+ story towers popping up like candy. It didn’t need a development boost. In fact they tore up an existing redevelopment plan for HQ2

How many jobs are in LIC though? This would've been a massive boon to the LIC and the NYC job market without the added congestion that putting these jobs in Manhattan would've caused. Manhattan is already at/over capacity, but I don't think the Manhattan -> LIC rush hour subway is.

I don't think it's reasonable to think that most people working at HQ2 would have been doing a reverse commute from Manhattan into LIC. It's equally likely that they would just be crowding the already crowded trains heading through LIC to Manhattan.

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Post by XaoDaoCaoCao »

Anarcissie wrote: post #767
ilovetux wrote: post #747

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Who are proponents of animal cruelty besides dog/cock fighting fans/operators? I doubt that these groups form a majority.

If they know how most food animals are treated, which seems likely, then most people who eat meat are OK with severe, sometimes grotesque cruelty. It goes beyond opinion: they put their money down for it.

People make compromises with their social circumstances.

They're not "ok" with the level of cruelty but in a pervasive environment of limited culinary and social choices, they're okay with living with that knowledge.

Personally, I think you get further raising better people than trying to impose a moral standard in a population that (for the most part) eats diets that hamper cognition and volition ala high sugar and ultra processed crap. Intermittent fasting and a decent diet would do much more for the quality of moral calculation of people than telling them that their entire culture is morally bad. Because we're humans who utilize different strata of values, not mere moral robots.

To paraphrase Nietzsche, the moralists and priesthoods of the world devalue the very small things which give arise to moral judgment: Diet, climate, and habit.

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