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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.

Maybe he isn't a robot, but his given birth name was zxcvbn4038

A friend of mine uses a fake last name on Facebook because her real name is Fake, which they refuse to accept as real.

(Her name is actually Faux, which means fake in French.)

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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And if they succeed to much they can monopolize transportation and thus mobility. Not a power I want to have in a private company. Especially not in a company from outside my country's jurisdiction. Where I can't have an impact via democratic law making process.

> Especially not in a company from outside my country's jurisdiction. Where I can't have an impact via democratic law making process. This is false. EU governments have already placed significant restrictions and fines upon US tech companies in the past. There is no reason to believe that they won't be able to again.

Those fines are the perfect representation of the lack of control EU has over US tech giants. They are essentially opaque and impossible to inflence through normal regulatory and political channels so the only options are the big guns. You can be sure Google is not going to heavily invest in the EU tech sector under such adversarial set-up. There's a subtle blackmail here: we push the envelope as far as it goes and the EU can choose to submit or risk technological backwardness.

It's a great situation for the US economy but a very bad strategical position for Europe.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Sometimes just checking the checkbox is enough. Sometimes you need to identify cars and store fronts. I think the better Google knows who you are, the more likely just the checkbox is going to be enough. If you go incognito, you have to train their neural nets, if you give up your privacy, you get in for free. The clever part from Google's perspective is that you have to trade one of these things to Google in order t…

There are many services out there that can solve Google's recaptcha for fraction's of a penny. When someone puts one up, they can make things more expensive, and perhaps sometimes uneconomical, but in general, the cost is low (~$2.00 for 1,000 recaptchas). When someone uses a recaptcha, they should think about why they are doing so. It's one thing to use it to save a business model, but it's another to use it to prot…

I've actually been pleasantly surprised at how much data /is/ available, and how much of it is available through common formats like Socrata Open Data API (for use with tools like https://github.com/xmunoz/sodapy)

The counter argument is that they do a great job with trivial stuff like registered dog's names, and less well with sensitive/important issues like policing.

What's the right way to leverage the platform developed for the first into the second?

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Everyone should censor and shun white supremacists. They have no place in modern society. When they shed their noxious views, we can all welcome them back with open arms.

Hacker news is awesome today. "Shun white supremacists" getting downvoted, nice.

Hacker news people are usually against censorship, yes.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.

I would assume a submitted photo of a robot would go over just as well as when I was once asked to add a picture to the company's internal website of employees by our HR dept. I never add photos of me to anything, so instead, in good humor, downloaded a random anonymous silhouette type avatar. That didn't work for them, and I was told "I need a picture of you". So, I open up photoshop, found a generic picture frame o…

I don't a real human looks at the photo. It will be CV process that tries to identify the image with whatever word proof was asked to be present.

Hence the high rate of rejections

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Yes, especially when they show you about 15 sets of images in a row taking 2 minutes to complete, clearly going beyond demonstrating you're human.

I think they only do that if you get the first set wrong.

Doesn't reflect my experience.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Since you're so afraid to use the word 'nigger' here's a book by a Harvard law professor you should probably read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger:_The_Strange_Career_of_...

Better safe than sorry, there are enough people who think context doesn't matter.

So what's going to happen if you write "nigger" that you're so unwilling to write it? It's not like you'd be calling someone a nigger, you'd be using it in a clearly informative manner,

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I had Microsoft do this. They notified me that my account was being suspicious, so I needed to provide a phone number to use it. I had literally just made the account though, zero activity at all. It was just to force me to give a phone number to them for their data harvest

I ran into this with MS as well. However, they explicitly stated that it did not need to be my phone number. So since it was for a work thing, I ask to use my boss' number to get around the lockout. Seemed pretty pointless.

One of my land-line numbers is so spam filled, i ignore it and use it as the default phone number for such antics.

I disconnected the ringer so it doesn't bother me.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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> Then, the images started getting grainier as they apparently wanted to improve their recognition in different conditions. I'd always assumed that was noise carefully tuned to throw off one machine learning model or another that was being used to beat the captcha, sort of like this: https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16597276/google-ai-image-... I think it might be the same when they switch to other types of objects…

>I'd always assumed that was noise carefully tuned to throw off one machine learning model or another that was being used to beat the captcha I was thinking it was trying to dirty up the image just like the lenses on cameras get dirty. What happens to the image recognition when there's water spots, dirt, mud, etc on the lens that keeps parts of the image obscured?

what would be the training data value in getting humans to classify images you have clean versions of, after applying simulated noise?

If you have the clean version of the image, you need to get that classified by a human - then you can throw noisy versions of it into the training set for your AI. You don’t need to ask a human, hey, I added noise to a picture of a yield sign. Is it still a picture of a yield sign?

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2)…

If everyone keeps telling you you're a robot...

Do you still have all those photos Deckard?
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