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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by muzani »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #223
codeulike wrote: post #128

Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot? This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen,…

I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2)…

You could have done both. I'd love to see an article on that.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by yorwba »

shawnz wrote: post #247
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2)…

Were you using an unusual user agent or a VPN or something?

I got banned from Twitter within 5 Minutes of trying to figure out the user interface, and my best guess as to why it happened is that their anomaly detection is overfit to their existing users. So when a new user starts exploring randomly instead of directly going to look at ads, they're behaving much more like a scraper than what the system has learned to recognize as a normal user.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by dragonwriter »

littleweep wrote: post #163
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

> I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation?

You give Google training for ML models.

Google gives the site provider the service of excluding bots from submitting the form.

The site provider gives you whatever was provided by the form you were trying to submit.

No one is uncompensated.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by muzani »

Kalium wrote: post #7
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #2

The box has made browsing using TOR insufferable! It fusses and makes me click storefronts and traffic lights until I run out of patience and close out of whatever webpage I was trying to visit. I assume it has to do with a lack of Google cookies on the browser, essentially punishing me for trying to protect my privacy.

This might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. Well in excess of 90% of traffic coming out of TOR is spam, bots, malicious, or some combination! Google isn't going out of their way to punish you for trying to protect your privacy. They're trying to stop unwanted traffic. By unfortunate happenstance, you appear to be disguising yourself in the exact same way a shocki…

Have you used Captcha on TOR? It really does feels like they're trying to punish you. They give you about 4 pages of "identify the traffic light", all of which are difficult for humans, then reject and give you another 4 pages. Or that thing where it fades out for about 7 seconds before you click the next image, and then wait another 7 seconds.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by _jal »

Old_Thrashbarg wrote: post #267
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

Yes, especially when they show you about 15 sets of images in a row taking 2 minutes to complete, clearly going beyond demonstrating you're human.

More and more frequently when presented with a captcha, I've been deciding I don't care enough about whatever it was to want to exchange robot training for access. Especially if they pull that shit after I've spent effort on something (a comment, say) - I will absolutely walk away and not come back.

Manipulative user-hostile websites can rot.

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

tracker1 wrote: post #162
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

That's what ReCaptcha always was... it was originally a known and another unsure text blurb from scanned books/text documents. Now it's street signs etc.

Helping scan all the world's books as part of a plan to make them freely available to all is much easier to get behind than tuning map objects for their self driving cars. Particularly when most books that were scanned never, ever showed up on Google books.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by dazhbog »

The other day I noticed that if you leave the tab open long enough the images become grainy..

I wonder if they also overlay another image that to humans looks like noise, but its a neural network attack[1][2]

[1] https://youtu.be/SA4YEAWVpbk?t=34

[2] https://medium.com/datadriveninvestor/8b966793dfe1

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Post by JohnFen »

Theodores wrote: post #132
alexpetralia wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - I feel at this point that our labor is simply being used to help provide training data for Google's algorithms.

This is not how it is supposed to be. In a parallel universe of fluffy niceness we willingly provide our help and in that way we get all those old books converted to ASCII and available for us to read online. Our efforts are for the good of mankind. Similarly with the newer challenges, we help the maps be up to date and again this is for the good of mankind and those needing help getting around. Clearly this doesn't…

> Google need to work on their relationship with their customers

Google's customers are those who buy advertising. The rest of us are just cannon fodder.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by Frondo »

mamon wrote: post #275
Frondo wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone should censor and shun white supremacists. They have no place in modern society. When they shed their noxious views, we can all welcome them back with open arms.

Ok, so you've decided that being white supremacist is bad. I can agree with you on that, but still the question remains: who get's do decide what has a place in modern society? Who decides what "modern society" even is? Today Google might decide to censor white supremacists, tomorrow it can be human rights advocates. I think that allowing any type of censorship, even for such a noble cause as fighing racism is a slip…

You're trying to generalize a useful rule ("shun white supremacists") but it doesn't work in this case. I don't think we need to, either.

We're not robots. We can shun white supremacists and leave everyone else alone. This isn't a slippery slope, it's just good sense (no more white supremacists, hey!). Humankind will get along just fine if we tack on that one extra rule and all follow it.

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Post by jacobush »

cma wrote: post #271
codeulike wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twist: he is a robot, and when he sent them a photo, it was a robot photo. Square metal head, lights for eyes, antenna coming out the top. The works.

Maybe he isn't a robot, but his given birth name was zxcvbn4038

or bobby tables
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