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Do they have some remaining Edge cases?
That will become Chrome, so don't worry.
Anyone who lived through the IE6 days has every right to be worried about a diminishing number of browsers / rendering engines.
Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
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Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
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jQuery _did_ lots of useful stuff. It's unmaintained, has no interest/support (look at their github), doesn't adapt to modern features, is 'slow' compared to other frameworks that now use the Shadow Dom, and can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that? One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Oh, and since the new code is va…
GitHub is a terrible metric. You probably use tools like grep and ls many times a day... you do not check if ls is up to modern standards and has a constant stream of issues and fixes. You don’t do it for grep, or git...you depend on git. You cannot apply instant gratification to software library dev. If the work for a library was done and satisfied in 2015, then it’s fucking done. It’s tried and tested. It gets secu…
There's no such thing as "done" software. Your view is incompatible with reality, I'm afraid.
Yes, I did check whether ls was still actively being developed, saw that it wasn't doing anything new, and switched to exa, which is a fantastic little project, with sane defaults, less cruft, and greater speed. You can always improve software, some people just get bored of doing so, and then declare it "done". But it isn't, and it's never going to be.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
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> One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Except that 90% of sites that use BS5 will continue to use JQ for other things anyway so, in reality, you won't have less code, fewer requests, etc. Personally I've felt for a while that JQ's day in the sun is over and that developers should really think about whether they need it or not. Maybe really getting rid of it starts w…
How was Apple killing the floppy a slightly risky move? Granted, we have hindsight now, but when they released the first machine without a floppy I had already said good riddance to lame 1.5MB slower than christmas devices. The only thing I miss about floppies are the sounds they made. The heads cycling back and forth and the Mac eject sounds were so distinct. I also do not miss the ADB connections, nor do I miss SCS…
> when they released the first machine without a floppy I had already said good riddance to lame 1.5MB slower than christmas devices.
Yeah, but you're probably a nerd. I was working in a university computer lab at the time and people were always bringing in their (usually infected or damaged) floppies so they could print out an assignment or whatever. I was very happy about the decision but it freaked a lot of people out.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
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GitHub is a terrible metric. You probably use tools like grep and ls many times a day... you do not check if ls is up to modern standards and has a constant stream of issues and fixes. You don’t do it for grep, or git...you depend on git. You cannot apply instant gratification to software library dev. If the work for a library was done and satisfied in 2015, then it’s fucking done. It’s tried and tested. It gets secu…
There's no such thing as "done" software. Your view is incompatible with reality, I'm afraid. Yes, I did check whether ls was still actively being developed, saw that it wasn't doing anything new, and switched to exa, which is a fantastic little project, with sane defaults, less cruft, and greater speed. You can always improve software, some people just get bored of doing so, and then declare it "done". But it isn't,…
Paul Graham said he "finished" writing Hacker News 12 years ago. [0]
This might even be more possible for "simpler" softwares.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
#275This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…
so the big reason here is actually React. Whether you like it or not, the developer momentum behind React/Vue is massive. And jquery works in weird ways with React/Vue. You can still make it work, but people are choosing to go with other frameworks.
so the removal is not really a "remove jquery" thing - but more of "make sure the framework javascript doesnt screw up react".
For example, look at some of the earliest comments there - https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/23586
>If you are interested in Vanilla JS versions of tooltip, popover, and scrollspy, We have versions that we use in [Bootstrap-Vue v1.0.0.beta.7](https://github.com/bootstrap-vue/bootstrap-vue) (see in action at [docs](https://bootstrap-vue.js.org/))*
> Boostrap-Vue is quite interested in the jQuery free version of some of the plugins, as we might be able to direclty import some of these modues (or the classes), to replace some of our code.*
> Any chance this can be implemented as custom elements, this way everything would be nicely compatible with all component frameworks.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no such thing as "done" software. Your view is incompatible with reality, I'm afraid. Yes, I did check whether ls was still actively being developed, saw that it wasn't doing anything new, and switched to exa, which is a fantastic little project, with sane defaults, less cruft, and greater speed. You can always improve software, some people just get bored of doing so, and then declare it "done". But it isn't,…
Paul Graham said he "finished" writing Hacker News 12 years ago. [0] This might even be more possible for "simpler" softwares. [0] https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1049723540902215681
HN and Arc are still being updated, though, just not by Paul Graham.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
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Advertisers have abused every single factor possible for tracking, including ETAGs and many other aspects of cache. Don't blame Safari for protecting it's users from disingenuous and dodgy tracking.
A single stable identifier would've solved the whole situation and Apple already had it with Advertising ID. Exposing that to the browser would've been enough so Safari could've been ahead of the curve.
Yeah, all you need to do is include a persistent identifier shared across all sites in the world! In fact, this solution is so great you don’t even need cookies anymore and you never get logged out if you accidentally delete them!
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
#278This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…
jQuery _did_ lots of useful stuff. It's unmaintained, has no interest/support (look at their github), doesn't adapt to modern features, is 'slow' compared to other frameworks that now use the Shadow Dom, and can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that? One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Oh, and since the new code is va…
> can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that?
I don't feel like writing document.querySelector() all the time and then checking if it really got anything. Aliasing it to $ will break jq upon which some libraries still depend.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
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I like Bootstrap but I tend to use Milligram for most stuff these days. It's an excellent starting point and easy to extend. https://milligram.io
I guess the main difference being that Bootstrap is actively maintained while Milligram hasn't been updated in 2 years.
Looking at the GitHub page[0], the last commit was 2 weeks ago, not 2 years ago.
Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency
#280This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…
A lot of things jQuery did can now be done with vanilla javascript so including a non-standard (in a way) code for things that already work in "standard" javascript is what doesn't make sense anymore.