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Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by tyingq »

tcd wrote: post #14
tyingq wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am still more fond of jQuery's ajax functionality than anything that followed, including the fetch API.

Why? fetch returns a native promise, which are _much much much_ nicer to work with than XHR ever was or desired to be. Good riddance.

Straightforward error handling both for actual http numbered errors, and for transport errors (site down/DNS/etc).

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by WorldMaker »

lichenwarp wrote: post #22

Can someone explain why if you like jquery and you're used to it why is it a bad idea or it's not but just personal preference at this point?

The general argument now is that 95%+ of jQuery is now native in browsers (with arguably the remaining 5% being odd overly backward compatible quirks worth ignoring), so adding a JS dependency for them is "silly" and/or a waste of bandwidth.

Obviously, if jQuery is still your jam in 2019, that's your decision and no one is going to force you to stop using it. The approach Bootstrap is taking is interestingly backwards compatible in that the updated plugins will still register their previous jQuery APIs, even if their actual implementations will now be "vanilla" JS directly against the modern browser APIs.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by miohtama »

arp242 wrote: post #39

This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…

IE itself is being "dropped" as well, so long term support commitment for new products does not make sense.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by simook »

arp242 wrote: post #39

This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…

I tend to agree.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

lichenwarp wrote: post #22

Can someone explain why if you like jquery and you're used to it why is it a bad idea or it's not but just personal preference at this point?

I think jQuery is a good option if you're making "rich applications"; that is, normal HTML pages with some JavaScript for better UX. For many applications this is still a good approach.

If you're making an SPA, then jQuery is a bad choice for many reasons. jQuery is just a DOM wrapper, and doesn't give you any application structure, which tends to lead to pretty messy applications.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by tcd »

arp242 wrote: post #39

This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…

jQuery _did_ lots of useful stuff. It's unmaintained, has no interest/support (look at their github), doesn't adapt to modern features, is 'slow' compared to other frameworks that now use the Shadow Dom, and can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that?

One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort.

Oh, and since the new code is vanilla and written in ES6 (it was already but transpiled) you can use modules/tree shaking, even better for performance.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by writepub »

arp242 wrote: post #39

This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…

Legacy bootstrap did ship with considerably fat set of dependencies - jQuery, popper, etc. Compare that to Bulma or something more modern, it ships without these dependencies. When the world is moving towards css-in-js and other aggressive ways of trimming unwanted code, removing dependencies is a good move by Bootstrap
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