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Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by partiallypro »

solotronics wrote: post #11
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of movement to Azure is staggering from AWS (if only from job postings and recruiters I speak to). There are a lot of businesses that do not want to fund their competitor (rightfully so), even if Azure is half baked (it is, but one desperately hopes it gets better if one is forced to use it). Also, Office 365, Exchange, AD, Sharepoint/OneDrive, Flow, and other platform lock-ins are not to be discounted.

is there any cloud thats "fully baked" in comparison to AWS?

No cloud provider is fully baked, that included AWS. Every single one of them has their own set of drawbacks.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by sanxiyn »

airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

AWS employs enormous number of "sales engineer". They are so aggressive that there is a joke that anyone with some name recognition in Korean dev community is going to AWS. I think Google trying Oracle approach is the right one. Their product is not bad, their sales is.

Modern cloud devrel seems very similar to big pharmas marketing to doctors.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by partiallypro »

Analemma_ wrote: post #12

Cloud is where Google's reputation for killing products is really going to haunt it. Every time HN commenters complain about Google axing a service, there are lots of "you're making too big a deal about this, no one is leaving Google because they ditched Reader" responses, and for its consumer products that may be true. But decisions about which cloud provider to use are made by C-suite executives, and they absolutel…

I don't know why you were down voted, this is 100% correct. Google's own reputation is Google Cloud's biggest enemy. Microsoft is really in the sweet spot, Amazon is eating the world and no one wants to pay their direct competitors money every month.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by ernsheong »

aboutruby wrote: post #18

From a user point of view I much prefer AWS than Google Cloud (and I got used to the AWS names). Also as AWS is what basically everyone used, all the tooling is built mainly around it and sometimes support Google Cloud but it's not very well tested / supported. All that steams basically from being the leader by a vast margin.

Google Cloud Platform (GCP) is much simpler from a developer standpoint. AWS might have 20 tools to solve 20 problems, GCP has 5 tools to solve 20 problems (that's my observation).

The tools provided by GCP itself will help you get the job done. AWS never really clicked for me, terrible UI/UX, too many steps to get things done. GCP is the opposite when it comes to ease of doing most things. When I started using GCP, I had a "wow" and "aha" moment: this is how a cloud should be.

Give GCP a shot ;)

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by sanxiyn »

zmmmmm wrote: post #22

There doesn't seem to be much information in the article. No actual numbers just: > the market keeps expanding, but these two major companies never seem to get a much bigger piece of the pie In my circles people only talk about AWS and Google Cloud. I know there is going to be a massive segment of the market that just defaults into Azure because Microsoft .... but it seems to me that beyond that the race is pretty mu…

In my circles a lot of non-Microsoft people talk about Azure.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by bg24 »

darrmit wrote: post #30
CBLT wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

This is accurate. If you have a substantial Windows Server / SQL etc. spend via an Enterprise Agreement then MSFT will essentially give away their cloud services to you. I’ve seen crazy 90+ percent discounts on Azure and Office 365. Still doesn’t change the fact that Azure isn’t a great platform to use, though.

I have an affinity for AWS because I worked there and liked the pace. But, agree with your last statement. At least 3 collegues (came from Azure to AWS) told me very highly about Azure when it comes to console and workflow.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by emilsedgh »

richardw wrote: post #16
airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

Azure was pretty late but their main fairly simple task was to cloud-enable the massive .net/MS-SQL army. Initial attempts weren't great (Azure tables, branding changes) but they iterated fast and knocked it out the park. Google is replicating Amazon now (after failing with app engine), but without the mindshare. Amazing because they are the cloud story - many cheap computers rather than huge ones. App Engine hurt th…

> Azure was pretty late but their main fairly simple task was to cloud-enable the massive .net/MS-SQL army.

I'd be interested to know about the number of:

* Linux based deployments on Azure * Windows/.Net based deployments on other providers

Basically I'm assuming that all the .NET crowd is hosted at Azure and the rest are being hosted on Amazon/Google/RedHat/Heroku.

If that assumption is true (even with 4-5% of room for error) the ~20% would be .NET's share on the backend.

Am I missing something obvious?

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by ernsheong »

keypusher wrote: post #20
Analemma_ wrote: post #12

Cloud is where Google's reputation for killing products is really going to haunt it. Every time HN commenters complain about Google axing a service, there are lots of "you're making too big a deal about this, no one is leaving Google because they ditched Reader" responses, and for its consumer products that may be true. But decisions about which cloud provider to use are made by C-suite executives, and they absolutel…

At startups and even medium sized tech companies, these decisions are often driven by engineering/ops teams and not by executives. I was on a team trying to decide between staying with AWS and moving to GCP about a year ago, at a company that spends well over $1M/year on infrastructure. The fact that Google has a track record of abandoning products with active users and has repeatedly shown they do not know how to de…

Looks like GCP needs to sorely address this (mis)perception, and ensure their commitments to GCP is separate from the consumer business.

But really, GCP is not the same as the consumer-facing products. GCP already has a lot of clout, and literally nothing I know in GCP has been deprecated/chopped just like that. GCP already has a huge following in its own right and it's very unlikely for GCP stuff to be axed, given how careful they are with implementing new features (I have interacted with numerous engineers, and often feature requests are taken with a lot of valid pushback to prevent feature creep).

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