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Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by solotronics »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #6
carlsborg wrote: post #3

Its incredibly hard to catch up. The following is a list of new major AWS functionality delivered just in the month of January: https://blog.clusterdyne.com/posts/new_aws_features_jan2019.... Two new services introduced and one in GA, plus multiple solid innovations like the Elastic Inference Predictors API. And this doesn't include roll-outs of existing services in new regions.

The amount of movement to Azure is staggering from AWS (if only from job postings and recruiters I speak to). There are a lot of businesses that do not want to fund their competitor (rightfully so), even if Azure is half baked (it is, but one desperately hopes it gets better if one is forced to use it). Also, Office 365, Exchange, AD, Sharepoint/OneDrive, Flow, and other platform lock-ins are not to be discounted.

is there any cloud thats "fully baked" in comparison to AWS?

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by Analemma_ »

Cloud is where Google's reputation for killing products is really going to haunt it. Every time HN commenters complain about Google axing a service, there are lots of "you're making too big a deal about this, no one is leaving Google because they ditched Reader" responses, and for its consumer products that may be true.

But decisions about which cloud provider to use are made by C-suite executives, and they absolutely do look warily at Google, especially in comparison with Amazon (which makes basically all its profit from AWS) and Microsoft (which is obsessed with back-compat and keeping old products working as long as possible). Basic risk management and the huge cost of abruptly switching clouds will be the albatross around GCE's neck.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by toomuchtodo »

solotronics wrote: post #11
toomuchtodo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of movement to Azure is staggering from AWS (if only from job postings and recruiters I speak to). There are a lot of businesses that do not want to fund their competitor (rightfully so), even if Azure is half baked (it is, but one desperately hopes it gets better if one is forced to use it). Also, Office 365, Exchange, AD, Sharepoint/OneDrive, Flow, and other platform lock-ins are not to be discounted.

is there any cloud thats "fully baked" in comparison to AWS?

I think it’s less of a cloud to cloud comparison, and more of a feature to feature comparison. Even AWS is half baked depending on the service (although the core services are rock solid, like S3, EC2, Cloudfront, and parts of RDS). Azure’s console has all sorts of intermittency/consistency issues, and they recently lost customer data due to how encrypted database data was inadvertently discarded due to a DNS failure scenario.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by CBLT »

airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by keypusher »

chid wrote: post #4

what about Oracle/Alibaba clouds?

Oracle is not even in contention. Not only do they lack the expertise, they have a terrible reputation and offer nothing unique. Alibaba is a different story. China is a huge market that western companies typically stuggle in, and many of the large businesses there do not have the infrastructure debt of older US companies. Alibaba has massive infrastructure, strong technical expertise and their cloud offering has been expanding rapidly, I would definitely watch out for them.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by richardw »

airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

Azure was pretty late but their main fairly simple task was to cloud-enable the massive .net/MS-SQL army. Initial attempts weren't great (Azure tables, branding changes) but they iterated fast and knocked it out the park.

Google is replicating Amazon now (after failing with app engine), but without the mindshare. Amazing because they are the cloud story - many cheap computers rather than huge ones. App Engine hurt them so much they have a hell of a job to recover and now have to compete using someone else's playbook.

Right now, nobody gets fired for using Amazon.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by mox1 »

CBLT wrote: post #14
airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

Migrate your Exchange serve(s) to google suite or Azure, which one do you think is an easier sell?

Repeat for Random windows server to Azure and again for Office Live.

Ohh, you can ru Linux too and do most things people are doing with AWS.

It’s a pretty easy sell to me (and worked pretty well on the F100 company I work for).

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by aboutruby »

From a user point of view I much prefer AWS than Google Cloud (and I got used to the AWS names). Also as AWS is what basically everyone used, all the tooling is built mainly around it and sometimes support Google Cloud but it's not very well tested / supported. All that steams basically from being the leader by a vast margin.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by [deleted] »

mox1 wrote: post #17
CBLT wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

Migrate your Exchange serve(s) to google suite or Azure, which one do you think is an easier sell? Repeat for Random windows server to Azure and again for Office Live. Ohh, you can ru Linux too and do most things people are doing with AWS. It’s a pretty easy sell to me (and worked pretty well on the F100 company I work for).

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Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by keypusher »

Analemma_ wrote: post #12

Cloud is where Google's reputation for killing products is really going to haunt it. Every time HN commenters complain about Google axing a service, there are lots of "you're making too big a deal about this, no one is leaving Google because they ditched Reader" responses, and for its consumer products that may be true. But decisions about which cloud provider to use are made by C-suite executives, and they absolutel…

At startups and even medium sized tech companies, these decisions are often driven by engineering/ops teams and not by executives. I was on a team trying to decide between staying with AWS and moving to GCP about a year ago, at a company that spends well over $1M/year on infrastructure. The fact that Google has a track record of abandoning products with active users and has repeatedly shown they do not know how to deal with customers was absolutely part of the reason we decided to stay with AWS. I respect the engineering at Google immensely, and I would be willing to reconsider in a few years, but they need to prove their commitment first. They literally just killed another product today (Android Things)!
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