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Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by ravedave5 »

CBLT wrote: post #14
airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

This is occurring at my company. That said I'm not too sad as Azure seems like a competent provider.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by zmmmmm »

There doesn't seem to be much information in the article. No actual numbers just:

> the market keeps expanding, but these two major companies never seem to get a much bigger piece of the pie

In my circles people only talk about AWS and Google Cloud. I know there is going to be a massive segment of the market that just defaults into Azure because Microsoft .... but it seems to me that beyond that the race is pretty much over. IBM, Oracle all the others are not going to succeed beyond niche applications.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by [deleted] »

richardw wrote: post #16
airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

Azure was pretty late but their main fairly simple task was to cloud-enable the massive .net/MS-SQL army. Initial attempts weren't great (Azure tables, branding changes) but they iterated fast and knocked it out the park. Google is replicating Amazon now (after failing with app engine), but without the mindshare. Amazing because they are the cloud story - many cheap computers rather than huge ones. App Engine hurt th…

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Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by dnautics »

CBLT wrote: post #14
airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

Yes, this (at the top level) was how they signed up fortune 1.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by dnautics »

ravedave5 wrote: post #21
CBLT wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

This is occurring at my company. That said I'm not too sad as Azure seems like a competent provider.

I'm not terribly happy at the VM startup latency, unreliability of actions (you have to double check if it really happened), and how things don't clean up nicely afterwards. Things may have changed, it's been a few months.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by duxup »

A friend of mine at an old company who relied heavily on IBM (and paid for it) told me the story about how they were going to "get into the cloud stuff". They talked to their IBM consultant guy at a meeting about what they wanted to do and he told them what they were thinking of doing and he responded "well that will take a few weeks, they have to set it up".

Now it was possible their IBM contact was thinking of some sort of older managed hosting but he said they were talking about "cloud" for the entire meeting ... at that point it seemed IBM just thought of managed hosting as "cloud".

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by partiallypro »

excalibur wrote: post #2

Related, seemingly contradictory: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/microsoft-google-cloud-pitch...

This is one of the main reasons I am so highly confused why Netflix is so melded with AWS. When Netflix more or less made itself 100% AWS a year or two back, I was genuinely baffled.

Re: Google and IBM still trying desperately to move cloud market share needle

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Post by darrmit »

CBLT wrote: post #14
airstrike wrote: post #7

> Neither company is satisfied with that, of course. Google so much so that it moved on from Diane Greene at the end of last year, bringing in Oracle veteran Thomas Kurian to lead the division out of the doldrums. > (...) > Bloomberg reports that he announced a plan to increase the number of salespeople and train them to understand specific verticals, ripping a page straight from the playbook of his former employer,…

My anecdata is that Microsoft used salespeople to talk to executives and give them a deal on Azure so good they couldn't pass it up.

This is accurate. If you have a substantial Windows Server / SQL etc. spend via an Enterprise Agreement then MSFT will essentially give away their cloud services to you. I’ve seen crazy 90+ percent discounts on Azure and Office 365.

Still doesn’t change the fact that Azure isn’t a great platform to use, though.

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