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Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by dang »

thatoneyouthrow wrote: post #56
pault wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a US citizen. Where do I find the form for imposing trade sanctions? Can I file it electronically?

First reread the comment so you understand it.

We've banned this account for trolling. We don't want trashy internet flamewars here, irrespective of how right your views are or you feel they are.

It's not hard to express your views without breaking the site guidelines. Plenty of other users have managed it in this thread. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

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Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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atomicUpdate wrote: post #91
natch wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less, though. So Lyft it is. Not that there’s really any way you can ever control who owns shares of a public company, but if the government or its proxy is on record as a large shareholder, that’s something.

“Activism” without sacrificing convenience. Perfect. I suppose the really important part is that you get to tell your friends why they’re not as woke as you whenever they get an Uber. It’s interesting seeing people admit to their fake outrage nowadays.

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Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by dang »

atomical wrote: post #21

It's interestinghow comments like this are downvoted. But then, YCombinator has an interest in keeping Saudi Arabia happy.

The comment was in fact heavily upvoted. It takes time for the vote totals on a comment to work themselves out.

I'm personally responsible for HN and can tell you that "keeping Saudi Arabia happy" has never entered my awareness until you brought it up.

We just banned your throwaway account for trolling. If you continue to use HN for flamewars, trolling, or personal attacks, we will ban your main account as well.

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Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by buboard »

romwell wrote: post #122

There's a lot of discussion here, but I don't see the important question being asked: How (and whether) the removal of this app will help the women in Saudi Arabia: 1)In the short term 2)In the long term I.e. if the alternative to using the tracking app is not being able to travel (in the realities of that horrible state), then removal will make life of many women worse in the short term. Calls for bans and removals…

They can easily offer the app as a web app (i think it is already a web app)

And actually you are wrong, without tracking women have at least a chance to escape undetected

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by avip »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #102

I am surprised that no-one has brought up a neutrality argument yet. The app is legal within Saudi Arabia and in fact published by their government. Are we to take down any app which violates anyone’s morals? Or just the morals of particular countries? If an app is blasphemous by the standards of say Mormonism or Islam, should we take it down? After everyone is done, how many apps will be left? If we enforce some mor…

For apple we could use the precedent https://www.juggleware.com/blog/2008/09/steve-jobs-writes-ba...

as surely this app is offensive to not less than 50% of customers.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by buboard »

NoblePublius wrote: post #23

I can’t believe that Lyft doesn’t cover the Bay Area with billboards that say “Saudi Arabia beats women and owns 10% of Uber.” “Saudi Arabia murders gay people and owns 10% of Uber.” “Saudi Arabia crucified two people last year and owns 10% of Uber.”

pfft can't they just go back to building giant penis shaped buildings?

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by buboard »

el_dev_hell wrote: post #3
amanzi wrote: post #2

The precedent has already been set (e.g. Infowars) that hosting an app on your platform is an endorsement of the content and the publisher of the app.

> hosting an app on your platform is an endorsement of the content and the publisher of the app What's the context behind this claim?

that corporates have decided to not uphold moral relativism.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by dang »

atomical wrote: post #19
50656E6973 wrote: post #14

Its alarming how these increasingly powerful and consolidated silicon valley groups preach progressive morality but practice regressive totalitarianism.

It's telling how comments like this are downvoted. But then again YCombinator has an interest in keeping Saudi Arabia happy.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19142128

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Post by edoloughlin »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #102

I am surprised that no-one has brought up a neutrality argument yet. The app is legal within Saudi Arabia and in fact published by their government. Are we to take down any app which violates anyone’s morals? Or just the morals of particular countries? If an app is blasphemous by the standards of say Mormonism or Islam, should we take it down? After everyone is done, how many apps will be left? If we enforce some mor…

If we enforce some morals and not others in our app stores, who exactly do we choose as the arbiters of morality

Just... wow. This app is literally designed to allow men to enforce morals on women.

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