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Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by jjeaff »

novia wrote: post #65
jzl wrote: post #64

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Was curious about this too. A minute after some quick googling: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article76614477.html

"Citrus canker was first found in the United States in 1910 not far from the Georgia – Florida border. Subsequently, canker was discovered in 1912 in Dade County, more than 400 mi (600 km) away. Beyond Florida, the disease was discovered in the Gulf states and reached as far north as South Carolina. It took more than 20 years to eradicate that outbreak of citrus canker, from 1913 through 1931, $2.5 million in state a…

Funny, I was picture a terrible old crony in government as the "canker" that made everyone bulldoze their non-commercial trees.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by jjeaff »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #112
p1necone wrote: post #89

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Even freshly squeezed orange juice with no additives is almost nutritionally indistinguishable from Coca Cola.

In Shanghai, I found a vending machine offering fresh-squeezed orange juice. The front of the machine was a window, so after buying a juice you could watch as a few oranges were rolled into a press and crushed. Then you got a sealed cup with the juice in it. The juice had barely any orange flavor at all. I concluded that fresh-squeezed orange juice is overwhelmingly just water. This suggests that it is in fact distin…

Actually, that was most likely due to the fact that they weren't using the proper type of orange. Many places outside of Florida and even all over the world use the wrong oranges.

California oranges are for eating and have a clear, less sweet juice. And they don't produce much juice at all per orange. Florida oranges are completely different and are very fibrous and essentially inedible as a whole. But if you put them through a squeezer, they will make delicious, orange colored, sweet orange juice in huge quantities. Very much like the "fresh squeezed Florida orange juice" you get at the grocery store. Although, of course, much better. They aren't adding or concentrating that juice at all. It really comes out rich and sweet like that.

There are proper names for the different California and Florida variants, but they are generally colloquially distinguished that way.

It's strange, but I have never seen juicing oranges for sale outside of Florida. They are not as pretty and will appear splotchy and less bright, glossy orange. They don't look appealing on their own.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by ulisesrmzroche »

bad_user wrote: post #141
ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #140

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You didn’t lose any weight on keto because you were eating too much. You can still gain weight if you eat 4000 calories worth of spinach.

I know. But no, it’s impossible to eat 4000 calories from spinach :-) I have a problem with binge eating and I think it is emotional.

Not impossible, mathematically speaking, but yeah, no one is going to willingly eat that much spinach.

But I bet you didn’t lose weight on the keto diet because you were eating too much cheese or something like that; perhaps not enough exercise to keep a decent weekly calorie deficit. That’s where you went wrong.

I agree on binge eating yeah but so is anorexia or bulemia.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by Terr_ »

novia wrote: post #61
cubano wrote: post #29

Being a east central Florida native, I grew up picking Valencia's off neighborhood trees, before the terrible canker in the 90's forced the state agriculture office to basically bulldoze and burn every non-commercial orange tree in the state. IMO, the real treat is fresh squeezed grapefruit juice, not orange. Fresh grapefruit juice tastes nothing whatsoever like the stuff they sell in markets, and has a sublime flavo…

>before the terrible canker in the 90's forced the state agriculture office to basically bulldoze and burn every non-commercial orange tree in the state. Could you elaborate more on this, or link me to a place where I can read more about it?

Related: America's outlawing of Blackcurrant berries to protect the timber industry.

https://www.businessinsider.com/blackcurrant-america-vs-euro...

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Post by theNJR »

dragonwriter wrote: post #133
theNJR wrote: post #68

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It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good. It’s non-stop propangda starting at birth, direct from the mothers mouth. I wonder where this meme started and why? I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister.

> I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister. Are you familiar with the phrase “banana republic” and it's origin? Big fruit is, historically, not any less sinister than big oil, and, while less influential, powerful enough to be a major international force, and drive wars and major power policy.

Wow, yes, good point.

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Post by theNJR »

pvaldes wrote: post #145
imjustsaying wrote: post #142

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People in general are not making conscious choices to seek out foods that give them vitamin C. Why would they? They don't have to seek out vitamin C and they still won't get scurvy with even a 7/11 or burger king diet. Significant amounts of vitamin C are in potatoes. People in general don't even know that, so I don't buy the idea that people are generally seeking out foods for their vitamin C value to prevent scurvy…

potatoes are vegetables. The drive to eat a special kind of food sometimes is common to many mammals. Not much different to being thirsty when you are dehydrated. Everybody experience sometimes a "thirst" for salt (in hot areas), sugar, or (in very cold areas) fat. Is a survival mechanism wired in our brain and not uncommon at all. I bet that we would intuitively seek for foods rich in vitamin C if getting short of i…

I'm not talking about an innate drive to eat fruit. Many/most western people have been convinced, through things like the food guide pyramid, that fruit is "good for you" and a "healthy choice".

This isn't a case where your body is craving a vitamin, and urging you to eat an orange. Your mind is saying "this is the right thing to do!", when in actuality, it's spiking your glucose.

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Post by sjwright »

watwut wrote: post #102
sjwright wrote: post #59

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To expand on my post, I should add: Fruit is evil. The fruits we buy in the supermarket (or hipster organic farmers market) bare little resemblance to the less sweet and less palatable fruits that humans would have eaten prior to cultivation. Through an ongoing process (over multiple millennia) of artificially selecting for higher sugar content, we have turned nature’s fruits into the equivalent of candy bars. If you…

I love how people jumped from "fat is evil" to "fruit is evil". As if Americans, and yes it is always Americana, were invested in making everything extreme always. I guarantee you that you can eat tons of apples, oranges and other fruits every day and not get fat. Also, you can't live off vegetables only. They just don't have enough calories to keep you going whole day. And you do need some amount of calories to perf…

There's so much wrong with that post that it's hurting my brain.

I don't know how you got from "fruit is bad" to "you can only eat vegetables" but that must have been a sweet trip. You do know there's other foods, right? Like plant oils, meat, dairy, and chocolate cake.

And if that wasn't hurting my brain enough, you think vegetables don't have calories? So you've never heard of the potato, have you? Or carrots, sweet potato, beetroot...

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Post by watwut »

sjwright wrote: post #157
watwut wrote: post #102

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I love how people jumped from "fat is evil" to "fruit is evil". As if Americans, and yes it is always Americana, were invested in making everything extreme always. I guarantee you that you can eat tons of apples, oranges and other fruits every day and not get fat. Also, you can't live off vegetables only. They just don't have enough calories to keep you going whole day. And you do need some amount of calories to perf…

There's so much wrong with that post that it's hurting my brain. I don't know how you got from "fruit is bad" to "you can only eat vegetables" but that must have been a sweet trip. You do know there's other foods, right? Like plant oils, meat, dairy, and chocolate cake. And if that wasn't hurting my brain enough, you think vegetables don't have calories? So you've never heard of the potato, have you? Or carrots, swee…

"If you want nutrients, eat vegetables." meanwhile fruits are bad. Are you supposing me to assume that he meant "vegetables and bacon, but keep off fruits"? That would essentially make keto only not-bad diet.

You cant sustain on carrots and beetroot. You just cant, caloric density is too low. You would have to eat too much volume of it. But, go ahead and try that. Eat only them and no nuts, no oil, etc. Observe how much active and performing you are after few days. Vegetarians don't live off vegetables only either.

Vegetables are very low on calories. That is literally why they are recommended for diet - but eat a lot of vegetables advice is not nearly the same as as "everything else is bad, eat vegetables".

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Post by coldtea »

ZeroFries wrote: post #147
coldtea wrote: post #143

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> Except sugar isn't inherently bad for you. Refined sugar isn't great, because it lacks nutrients, but juice doesn't have that problem. It's the nutrients to volume to "how easy to gulp a gallon" ration that matters, not merely having nutrients.

The nutrient:calorie ratio is more important than those other metrics you listed. Whey protein shakes are "easy to gulp" but show fairly high satiety ratings, for example. Liver has a very high nutrient:volume ratio and is considered healthy, brocalli has a low nutrient:volume ratio and is considered healthy.

>The nutrient:calorie ratio is more important than those other metrics you listed.

For health benefits. For the propensity to make you fat, the "easy to gulp tons of calories quickly" is also interesting regardless of the nutritional value of what you gulp on. Water for example has no nutrients and no calories, but even so it's better than an orange juice diet wise.

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Post by arcticfox »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #149
arcticfox wrote: post #148

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The original posted "I'm fortunate" with a nice story about something they enjoy in life (orange juice from local farmers). Then the other one posted "I'm even more fortunate" and wrote about how their oranges were somehow more authentic. To me, it's the definition of one-upsmanship. I live two thousand miles away from the nearest orange tree, so I'm not sure how I'm competing with them.

Yes, to be honest, I now realize I was a bit of a jerk with that comment. Sorry. And also, nice to learn that the variety doesn't actually come from Valencia!

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