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Apple's iPhone Shipments Plunge in China as Huawei Tightens Grip
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who would buy a previous generation iPhone when they can buy a modern Android generation phone for the half the price?
Because the previous gen iPhone will still be faster than the current gen Android and probably supported for longer?
Mobile phones are a commodity now and the large majority of consumers use pre-pay phones, replacing them only when they die, get stolen or are lost.
So none of those benefits really matter.
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#73The original iPhone cost $499 according to google search.
…with a contract in the US.
People wouldn’t spring for the same exact deal at that price? Seems a lot of people are fine with throwing 70 dollars a month just on the service even with tons of alternatives that are a fraction of the cost.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Talking about propaganda, you must have been subjected to massive quantities to write such a reply that provides no counter arguments and that is completely ignoring the points made, not to mention how ignorant it is. Sad, really.
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There is also an estimate of 50 million dead as a result of starvation as a consequence of the colonial invasions of China in the late 19th C
See Mike Davis' Late Victorian Holocausts
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's simplistic. People forget, or simply don't know, that Chinese are extremely patriotic and that they remember how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. Considering what's happening between the US and China, and about Huawei, we can't discard the possibility that Chinese consumers reacted by supporting their country.
When did these foreign powers mistreat China? The 19th century? Most nationals cultural memories are not that long - specifically one that has been thru three major revolutions in a century. Whatever the cause of lower iPhone sales, I'm skeptical it's what you claim - sunspots seem more likely to me.
The opium wars may have been in the 19th century but the WW1 reparations, Sino-Japanese wars, rape of Nanking, and general widespread attemps to carve territory from China, especially Western approval of the Sino-Japanese sphere of influence, were all 20th century. Western powers supporting the violent partioning of China was the norm even in the 20th century (look at Churchill's comments on the matter).
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#76Currently visiting China for Chinese New Year, and can't help but to notice the anti-US anti-Apple sentiment that arose recently. Although anecdotal, I think the nationalistic sentiment has a lot to do with the dip in sales.
To put in perspective, most Chinese netizens are generally pretty critical of the Chinese gov. Chinese with higher educations usually look up to western culture and products. However after the Huawei arrest incident, the Chinese netizens were pissed at the American government, I've never seen such anger towards the US gov, and huge waves of boycotts began. They think that American gov is bullying a Chinese company into obeying US law even outside US, and their response is to boycott American products.
During my two weeks here I've talked to a dozen random people at bars, friends gatherings and on the plane. Normally US-China politics never come up, but it has come up in almost every single conversation this trip. Most of these people mention that they recent switched to a Chinese phone or their next phone will be a domestic phone.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Within China, Apple doesn't compete on price. Yes Huawei has expensive phones, but for example you can buy a Mate 20 Pro for $650 there whereas an iPhone XS costs $1,270 for the entry level model. https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/10/26/huawei-mate-20-and-mat...
> iPhone XS costs $1,270 for the entry level model. Indeed, but they also have the "3rd world iPhone" models - respins of previous generations and "C" model which were to supposedly cater to this market. They greatly overestimated willingness of locals into buying "poor man's Rolce Royce editions"
If Apple things Asia would want to buy "3rd world" old iPhones, then they really haven't understood the market. iPhone is a prestige phone. It sells out for months here in Hong Kong.
Well. Used to. This year was the first year I could buy it straight in the shop on day one. I knew right then Apple has problems.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The number of 50-80 million comes from the book "Black Book of Communism", which in itself is highly controversial and whose co-authors disassociated themselves from the author due to the methodology used. So take these numbers with grain of salt and consider the book and its claim just a propaganda tool.
> It is widely regarded by historians that The Great Leap resulted in tens of millions of deaths.[3] A lower-end estimate is 18 million, while extensive research by Chinese historian Yu Xiguang suggests the death toll from the movement is closer to 55.6 million.[4] Fellow historian Frank Dikötter asserts that "coercion, terror, and systematic violence were the foundation of the Great Leap Forward" and it "motivated o…
My point is, it is easy to claim ridiculous numbers, but much harder to prove them. It doesn't help the case, if they numbers are inflated for the shock value.
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#79Currently visiting China for Chinese New Year, and can't help but to notice the anti-US anti-Apple sentiment that arose recently. Although anecdotal, I think the nationalistic sentiment has a lot to do with the dip in sales. To put in perspective, most Chinese netizens are generally pretty critical of the Chinese gov. Chinese with higher educations usually look up to western culture and products. However after the Hu…
For some reason I doubt that you have the right perspective. Chinese are very nationalistic and every non immigrant Chinese I met is pro Chinese government. Netcitizens are even worse.
American are persecuting a company that disobeyed American laws on American soil. No a single Chinese would blink an eye about persecuting American companies in China.
China is having economic issues, that's the major reason in sales' dip.
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#80iPhones have become just too expensive for people in Asia to buy. It's simple as that. If they bring down the price to $599 like it was for the original iPhone and keep the price constant every year, Apple will double or even triple their existing market share. It will still be profitable for Apple knowing that service revenue will increase when more people are using iPhones around the world.
No, the simple explanation for their sales tanking is simply because they got their market saturated. Plainly and simple. Huawei on other hand has rather different marketing plan - they make somewhat expensive products for ordinary people, even thought some of their phones can cost more than $1000 USD in maxed out configuration (leather and hand made editions) Apple on another hand has really little appeal to this de…
I wouldn’t buy their $1000 phones ever. I bought my first phone outright for $500. Then all the way to $700.
I’ve kept that phone for 3 years now.
$1000 mark just seems too steep for something that easily breaks or gets stolen.
Esp when it’s not that different from my iPhone8