iPhones have become just too expensive for people in Asia to buy. It's simple as that. If they bring down the price to $599 like it was for the original iPhone and keep the price constant every year, Apple will double or even triple their existing market share. It will still be profitable for Apple knowing that service revenue will increase when more people are using iPhones around the world.
Apple's iPhone Shipments Plunge in China as Huawei Tightens Grip
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#12Next headlines: 2020: European Car Shipments Plunge in China as XXX(#) Tightens Grip 2025: Tesla Car Shipments Plunge in China as YYY(#) Tightens Grip (#) Any local company currently in favor with the ruling party.
That's simplistic. People forget, or simply don't know, that Chinese are extremely patriotic and that they remember how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. Considering what's happening between the US and China, and about Huawei, we can't discard the possibility that Chinese consumers reacted by supporting their country.
People also forget that they shouldn't speak for a billion odd people. It's a big country with a lot of diversity both culturally and socioeconomically.
The facts we do know are that (a) price affects sales, (b) China has a lot of well made, value focused phones and (c) Apple has already acknowledged their iPhones are expensive.
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That's simplistic. People forget, or simply don't know, that Chinese are extremely patriotic and that they remember how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. Considering what's happening between the US and China, and about Huawei, we can't discard the possibility that Chinese consumers reacted by supporting their country.
> that Chinese are extremely patriotic Like in most countries where education is tightly controlled by the government, patriotism is a result of state propaganda. > how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. The worst thing that happened to Chinese was not the way foreign powers treated them, but what came after under their own ruling party.
Talking about propaganda, you must have been subjected to massive quantities to write such a reply that provides no counter arguments and that is completely ignoring the points made, not to mention how ignorant it is.
Sad, really.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's simplistic. People forget, or simply don't know, that Chinese are extremely patriotic and that they remember how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. Considering what's happening between the US and China, and about Huawei, we can't discard the possibility that Chinese consumers reacted by supporting their country.
People also forget that they shouldn't speak for a billion odd people. It's a big country with a lot of diversity both culturally and socioeconomically. The facts we do know are that (a) price affects sales, (b) China has a lot of well made, value focused phones and (c) Apple has already acknowledged their iPhones are expensive.
China is extremely homogeneous on the points I raised.
I did not claim that they were the cause of the drop but simply that these are factors that may also be at play.
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#15iPhones have become just too expensive for people in Asia to buy. It's simple as that. If they bring down the price to $599 like it was for the original iPhone and keep the price constant every year, Apple will double or even triple their existing market share. It will still be profitable for Apple knowing that service revenue will increase when more people are using iPhones around the world.
No, the simple explanation for their sales tanking is simply because they got their market saturated. Plainly and simple.
Huawei on other hand has rather different marketing plan - they make somewhat expensive products for ordinary people, even thought some of their phones can cost more than $1000 USD in maxed out configuration (leather and hand made editions)
Apple on another hand has really little appeal to this demographic, on both brand identity front, and product match.
That surely sounds unusual to a Western person, but that how it is. Huawei buyer is a well off working man in late twenties or early thirties with few more things to care about in his life than his phone.
Car analogy: Huawei - a nice full size sedan, a show of success for a common man; Apple - an "economy supercar" like Black Badge edition RR Ghost, something what broke millionaire wannabees buy
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> that Chinese are extremely patriotic Like in most countries where education is tightly controlled by the government, patriotism is a result of state propaganda. > how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. The worst thing that happened to Chinese was not the way foreign powers treated them, but what came after under their own ruling party.
Talking about propaganda, you must have been subjected to massive quantities to write such a reply that provides no counter arguments and that is completely ignoring the points made, not to mention how ignorant it is. Sad, really.
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#17China's economy is looking scary at this point.
Also from Bloomberg: Chinese consumer tax receipts down 70% in November. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-31/china-...
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Talking about propaganda, you must have been subjected to massive quantities to write such a reply that provides no counter arguments and that is completely ignoring the points made, not to mention how ignorant it is. Sad, really.
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Why are you picking on this and ignoring my original comment?
Simpler to repeat the same thing again and again without thinking, isn't it?
I thought mature discussions was what HN was about. I'm sorry to see that bigotry is rife.
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#19People in the West don't get a lot about Chinese society, nor do ones who come and go to China on few year long stays in better parts of China.
Yes, China has fake Prada, tons of fake Prada, but you don't really get a lot of people going for Pradas invariably of its genuineness. Same for iPhone users - there are extreme cases of idiots selling their organs to buy one, but to most people - the brand may be near invisible, moreover to people outside of megacities.
China's rich don't necessarily come from big cities. There are way more millionaires outside the Beijing/Shanghai/Guangzhou trio than inside. In fact, mid-tier cities have more millionaires per capita than megacities.
It's only natural that marketing of big foreign brands that primarily target megacities gets what is sows - a very proletarian, working class demographic.
I want to add that Amazon got a hunch of that recently - Amazon China was a joke up until their last few campaigns that were targeting almost exclusively second tier cities. To everybody's surprise, that move made them to near double their business here in around one year.
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#20iPhones have become just too expensive for people in Asia to buy. It's simple as that. If they bring down the price to $599 like it was for the original iPhone and keep the price constant every year, Apple will double or even triple their existing market share. It will still be profitable for Apple knowing that service revenue will increase when more people are using iPhones around the world.
No, the simple explanation for their sales tanking is simply because they got their market saturated. Plainly and simple. Huawei on other hand has rather different marketing plan - they make somewhat expensive products for ordinary people, even thought some of their phones can cost more than $1000 USD in maxed out configuration (leather and hand made editions) Apple on another hand has really little appeal to this de…
Within China, Apple doesn't compete on price. Yes Huawei has expensive phones, but for example you can buy a Mate 20 Pro for $650 there whereas an iPhone XS costs $1,270 for the entry level model.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/10/26/huawei-mate-20-and-mat...