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Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

43920 wrote: post #142
ben_w wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App stores are the least-unreliable mechanism I have to trust executable code. I don’t even enable JavaScript by default. Do you have an alternative trust mechanism that can’t be subverted via, for example, algorithmic voting?

I think there's a couple solutions to this. First, "trust" should depend on your own evaluation of the developer, based on metrics like how long their app has existed, customer reviews, what protections they have around handling data, etc. You have the ability to do a much better job evaluating trust than Apple or Google are likely to. But even beyond that, sandboxing needs to be made effective enough that even if yo…

> as far as I know, there haven't been any widespread attacks using browser vulnerabilities since sandoxing was introduced (except maybe Internet Explorer, which doesn't really count).

While non-malicious, jailbreakme.com seems to come back once every few years or so.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by toomuchtodo »

honkycat wrote: post #316

Google is such a joke. They need to get their heads out of their asses. Constant stories of bad support. Youtube is a complete horror show. And I seriously question if their cloud offerings have actual product designers attached. One great example: If you are using Google CloudSQL, you are one command away from losing everything: > gcloud sql instances delete prod-instance-name When you delete a CloudSQL instance, it…

With RDS instances in AWS, it’s the same behavior: destroying a database instance removes all of the automated backups that were made. Make sure to take a final snapshot!

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by tokyodude »

ashelmire wrote: post #128
rjknight wrote: post #89

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Look at it from the other perspective - if Google doesn't police the Play Store then users are put at risk. When bad actors are detected, they're banned. It sucks if you've hired one of these bad actors to do development work for you, but that can't trump the need for users to be protected from malicious code. In an ideal world, code review of the app would reveal whether or not there's anything fishy going on. It do…

I’ve seen enough posts like this that end with the developers being reinstated to doubt google here. They need to provide actual humans as resources to developers and companies. They take a huge cut, they should provide the service. But really we should move away from these app stores.

I don't know if Google gets a huge cut now but they certainly didn't start that way. Originally when Android shipped Google took 30% but only got 5%, the other 25% went to the carrier. The fact that they only got 5% apparently meant they were barely covering costs.

That maybe have changed in the last 10 years but I don't think it has. The help on it says

> The remaining 30% goes to the distribution partner and operating fees.

In other words Google is not getting 30%

https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...

> But really we should move away from these app stores.

Agreed

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by kurczynski »

"You don’t know which neighbour has committed the crime but you are linked to each other by the street you live on and therefore you are ‘associated’ to that neighbour. As a result, you are also arrested for the crime and you are guilty by default! There is no unbiased court case or appeals procedure because the decision is final and you cannot find anybody to contact to get your case re-heard!"

That kind of shit happens all the time.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by amelius »

noonespecial wrote: post #27

The question I always have with this stuff is this: To attract developers, these platforms make some promises. A "review" process for supposed violations of TOS causing cancellations is always among them. But to me these "reviews" always seem either completely faked or some version of a lowest-level employee simply restating that the algo has made its choice and they are powerless. More incriminating is that every ti…

> How is this any different than selling a counterfeit product? Isn't this legally actionable fraud?

They are just selling you a low-quality product. You are free not to buy it.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by kebman »

adventured wrote: post #342
avip wrote: post #112

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So says you. This is what the ToS say: Google may terminate this Agreement with You for any reason with thirty (30) days' prior written notice. In addition, Google may, at any time, immediately suspend or terminate this Agreement with You if: (a) You have breached any provision of this Agreement, any non-disclosure agreement or other agreement relating to Google Play or the Android platform; (b) Google is required to…

There's no such thing as a terms of service that gets you out of openly commiting fraud. The issue isn't the ToS. It's fighting Google in court. If fraud is occuring, the ToS will not actually protect you. You want to know what's keeping Jack Dorsey and Sundar Pichai up at night right now? They both recently openly lied to Congress and can be put in prison at any time for it. A powerful congressperson merely has to d…

Ha, like the state cares about anyone but themselves. :)

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

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Post by sandov »

Another proof that centralized closed services are not a good way to conduct our digital life.

Try to depend as little as possible on 3rd parties. Use free software that runs on your machine instead of proprietary services that depend on a server, store your data on your own physical hard drives instead of anyone else's cloud. Sure, concessions can be made when its too impractical to do your own thing, but have in mind that {Google | Apple | Amazon | Facebook} doesn't care about you.

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