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Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#31
This is why I didn't even blink when Apple cancelled Google's Fisherprice Certificate. Google cancels accounts on a whim daily, and in a lot of cases don't even have the decency to tell you why they cancelled your account and 'destroyed' your business; they deserve no sympathy. At least here they gave something resembling a faint reason. I hope the authors find a solution soon.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#32
Is it unfair to form a poor opinion of Google because it's typical for people to only ever share bad experiences? Anecdotally I feel like I have come across so many of these stories, and each of them sound terrible / symptomatic of a broken/apathetic company.

It feels like the money keeps rolling in through ad revenues, and then spent on developing projects like Inbox, Reader, and 5 chat apps, all of which get discontinued.

Is Google (the company & team) turning into a Dilbert Comic?

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#33
I sympathize with this guy, and I feel sad and awful every time I read about something like this, because all I can think is man, this could happen to me any day.

It also serves as a very unfortunate reminder of a couple of things:

1. Just how incredibly important it is for us to be able to use the platforms of the future as we see fit. We look at app stores and think well, this is good, right, applications are vetted and you can be sure that everything you install from one is fine. Except malicious applications still get through (see e.g. https://threatpost.com/google-play-removes-22-malicious-ligh... - not a singular incident), it's applications that could be a threat to Google's position or its business don't.

If users could download and install applications as they wish, as it was the norm twenty years ago, having a developer account removed wouldn't be much of a problem. Curating and reviewing applications may be a good way to keep malicious ones away from non-technical users, but who we trust to do the reviewing is equally important, and Google is about as shady as it gets.

2. Google's abysmal support (which is not limited to this particular case!) is no coincidence: small developers are too small to count, and, as applications became commoditized and got cheaper and cheaper, there are too many of them for the loss of one to be important in any way. Sure, Google's PR may insist they value every developer but their actions speak for themselves. Customer support, for any branch of their business, is so bad it makes PayPal look helpful by comparison.

3. Ultimately, that the standards of every company are the standards that its users hold it to. It speaks for itself that Google's "appeal" process (if one can call it that way) is so incredibly useless that the only way to actually appeal it is to produce enough rage that -- out of fear of bad PR, not because that's how you work with customers! -- someone will actually look at this.

I hope this gets sorted out real soon -- and that we all think twice about which platforms we support through our work. Both Google and Apple are what they are because mobile developers publish their applications there and not somewhere else -- both of them would be nothing were it not for the app developers' work, as seen in, say, Windows Phone. Granted, Android and iPhone are where the most users are, so it's where the big money is -- I'm sure no one writes Android apps because they're evil (ok, some people do; but not everyone). But most companies in this space could afford to invest in more free platforms, like the Librem 5, which would work in their own benefit, even if not right now.

Edit: oh yeah, one more thing.

I've seen Google trying to wiggle out of situations like these by saying that well, this was outsourced, so maybe the guys this was outsourced to did some shady stuff, it's definitely not Google's fault, they have no control over that.

Yeah, well, the outsourcing industry is older than Google is, and it's also responsible for virtually 90% of the applications on the Play Store (how else do you think applications end up costing 99 cents?). If a company can't come up with a review process that can accommodate the software outsourcing industry, in 2019, that's beyond laughable.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#34
post #3

Sounds like a bad situation. If I were you I would simply change the app ID, create a new Play account and publish it there. If there problem is with the connection to a banned account and not the app, then this removes that problem/connection.

Can someone with more knowledge explain why this wouldn't be the easy solution?

Reprisals would be severe

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#35
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I imagine the comments will be either: its your fault, dont trust google and have a strategy that totally relies on a party out of your control, & in this day and age you have to do this and this happened to me with google/apple/paypal/microsoft etc. While i think relying on google (or a single platform) is dangerous, these platforms really need to address these issues. While their isn’t much competition, they are re…

> “ This ultimately hurts app stores ” Good, app stores need to die.

App stores are the least-unreliable mechanism I have to trust executable code. I don’t even enable JavaScript by default.

Do you have an alternative trust mechanism that can’t be subverted via, for example, algorithmic voting?

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#36

This is why PWA is important: Google cannot ban a website! Also, the author should make sure to publish their app on non-Google App Stores and remind users that they still have a choice. And for those questioning on why the author is upset if they're still on the iOS store: Android is about 85% of the global market, and about 2/3rds of the US devices. iOS is this weird dying phone OS that Apple is keeping alive even…

> Google cannot ban a website!

But they can make them really difficult to find.

> iOS is this weird dying phone OS that Apple is keeping alive even though there really aren't that many users.

lol. There are more than a billion iOS users worldwide…

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#37
My adwords account was terminated after 7 years of inactivity for some violation regarding how I used my original $100 free credit to experiment with click metrics. I got a similar letter when I appealed. I didn't realize it until a couple years after it was terminated when I wanted to promote a self made product. I have to use someone else's account now to run my ads. It feels excessive.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#38
I am going to assume that the problem is Google once again using an automated, AI powered system that's designed to prevent abuse. Only it's too draconian - if not downright faulty - and punishes innocent devs but that Google has decided that's an ok trade-off because the system prevents enough abuse and is much cheaper than employing more human beings for their abuse prevention efforts. So what if 10% of all abuse patterns are false positives - they have millions of devs lining up to be part of the Google Play ecosystem.

Google has similar problems with automated, AI powered systems at Adsense, Adwords, Youtube, GCP etc, and the constant abuse and total lack of communication they've put their customers through has had many of them abandoning these platforms.

Meanwhile, their poor treatment of customers keep reinforcing the notion that Google simply cannot offer the level of customer service people need to run their businesses, and that's one problem they can't code or AI themselves out of.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#39
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “ This ultimately hurts app stores ” Good, app stores need to die.

App stores are the least-unreliable mechanism I have to trust executable code. I don’t even enable JavaScript by default. Do you have an alternative trust mechanism that can’t be subverted via, for example, algorithmic voting?

>App stores are the least-unreliable mechanism I have to trust executable code.

And yet almost weekly I read a new story about malicious apps being found in app stores. Like this one posted today:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/googl...

Personally I trust things from app stores about as much as I trust random things from the web.

Re: Google terminated our business via our Google Play Developer Account

#40
Being shocked about this happening in 2019 in either Apple's or Google's app store represents an incredible lack of even cursory research on the author's part. Unless the author shares specific details showing that the ban of the associated account was inappropriate, my reaction is: good, glad you got booted.

If one of the people you chose to associate your account with was previously a bad actor or involved with one, there's no reason to give you the benefit of the doubt because you have at least demonstrated bad judgement. For years people have been playing a game of whack-a-mole where when one account gets terminated they pop up with another. Since your entire business apparently depended on the app stores (a bad idea to begin with) being in good standing with them is therefore vital and it was incumbent on you to vet the people you were in business with. (i.e. sure, be in business with them if you choose. But if you decide to associate your single point of failure business account with them and they fail to disclose that they were associated with something shady in the past, your beef is with them not the app store)

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