This is an arms race that Spotify will loose.
Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers
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#842Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not sure why you are accusing someone of a crime ("stealing"). Installing an ad blocker is within someone's full legal right. Why are you making false statements regarding what is or is not a crime?
It is and it's also within your rights not to use the service, or pay for it. Why should you be allowed to use a service in a way they don't intend you to use it?
Why? Because it is within my full legal right to do so.
If you don't like it, then go change the law.
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#843Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm frankly surprised at the level of entitlement that you and others are operating under. Section 8 and 9 of the Spotify T&C is what you are looking for, btw.
Section 8 grants Spotify and their business partners the right to provide advertising and other information to you. That's you granting them rights should they succeed in doing so, not you guaranteeing the ability to do it. Section 9, item 5 only mentions "circumventing or blocking advertisements in the Spotify Service". Nothing about "third party" ads, when "third party" is explicitly mentioned in other rules, separ…
It only allows them to TRY to provide ads to me, according to particular web requests, etc. It does not mean I am compelled to allow it to be displayed on the screen I own, regardless of whether I consuming from the free content stream they decided to emit.
I could cut out a small rectangle of construction paper and create a robot with a computer vision apparatus, and have it follow me around, constantly check if an ad is visible on the screen, and dynamically block my field of vision to ensure I don’t see it.
Or I could miniaturize that whole thing and place it as a browser plugin or mobile app.
Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers
#844Good. Spotify has a pretty cheap paid option that removes all of that. To those who justify wanting the paid service for nothing by saying Spotify won't "take responsibility" or "assume liability" for their ads or those ads "might deliver malware" or are "intrusive" as a weak rationalization, you present a false dichotomy. There are at least three options: 1. Pay for the service 2. Suffer through the ads 3. Don't use…
> a false dichotomy
Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers
#845Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not stealing or violating any law (as far as I know, and if there is a law against it, I vehemently oppose the law). It's no different than muting radio commercials or recording live TV and fast-forwarding through the commercials. I'm not responsible for Spotify's business model or tech stack. If Spotify wants to deliver free music bundled with advertisements, it's on them to implement that bundling correctly. I…
What is so special about network requests that should be an exception here? If you sign a lease for an apartment that requires you to get liability insurance from a separate provider of your choice, do you also think you have every moral right to not purchase such insurance because it's a different "endpoint"?
Isn’t the penalty for not getting the liability insurance that you get evicted? I don’t think there are criminal charges or damages that would be rewarded. So that’s just the same as Spotify suspending your account.
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#846Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is just the argument against piracy. And if anyone proved that convenience combats piracy, it's Spotify. If you ever find your users trying to circumvent part of your process in order to make their experience better, the proper response isn't "hold up now, your experience with our product wasn't supposed to be THAT good." It's on their business to figure out how to maximize their customer's satisfaction, while s…
Thank you. Failures of your business model are not our problem. The only people who can force me to pay is Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. Everyone else can persuade me
Do you say that when you shoplift too?
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#847Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just a FYI if you buy music from iTunes you get DRM free files that you play pretty much anywhere. It's how I get all my music on my Android phone.
Yeah, but I don't have anywhere to run iTunes :/
c’mon, ur on haxxor news and u cant run a windows vm? there’s a free image on microsoft’s homepage, and I bet you’ll manage to get itunes working and transfer the music within the free trial period.
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#848Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a related note, getting unapproved access described as "stealing" (or theft, or piracy, or...) didn't stop being a nasty rhetorical trick just because it became standard. Creating another copy or playthrough of a song without permission doesn't have zero cost, fine, but the entire conversation is cheapened when people talk like it's the same thing as pocketing a cassette tape from a store.
If I took a copy of Stephen King's next book off his editor's computer and post it for free online before he sold a single copy, would it be a nasty rhetorical truck to call that stealing/theft/piracy...?
That's different. You'd be copying data off a personal computer that isn't publically accessible. Piracy usually involves a third party purposefully giving you access to the data.
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#849Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except you can do this with Spotify. https://support.spotify.com/is/using_spotify/features/listen...
For now. Spotify has removed so many useful features from their desktop app over the years, I won't be surprised in the slightest when they remove the ability to listen to local files.
As a long time user on desktop, I haven't really seen much change or loss of features. The mobile app, on the other hand, tends to be flavor of the month. No longer defaulting to my library and instead the discovery home is probably the biggest annoyance
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#850Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah...I dunno maybe the baristas are more accomodating at the one I go to but they're usually pretty happy to make things like that and charge less for it.
If you look at starbuck's prices you'll see some drink x being sold as a Venti - 5$, Grande - 4.25$, Tall - 4$, for a while this really annoyed my brain since a Venti is 2x a Tall (or so) so the low price difference makes it silly not to just get a Venti half as often. In actuality the price of what you're buying is contributed to very minorly by the ingredients and much more by the labour and that 4$ might be as clo…
Oh I agree with that. I was just pointing out the example itself doesn't work so well. I do understand that it's not necessarily store policy, but comes down to the choices of specific employees. This is why i think it's a poor example. With spotify you'll never have a situation where an individual employee can make the decision to allow someone to say use an adblocker or something.
In a lot of ways you can't really compare it to real world examples, because even within corporate chains individual employees can just say fuck it and choose to give the customer a discount or a custom order or allow something they shouldn't.
With an online business like Spotify that utilizes algorithms and automatic actions, this is unlikely to ever happen.
Having worked in a few customer service jobs, or hell even now where I work now, you'd be surprised what customers think they're owed vs what they actually are and how often they do end up getting their way.
In some ways maybe it's because of this people take this mentality onto the web and expect to be able to do the same things.
The real world usually ends up being a lot more grey than the black and white of the legalese and terms and conditions of the internet.