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A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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And they scapegoat the workers who are powerless, instead of the employers, like Trump.

Except, of course, Trump is trying to get them to hire workers who are not powerless, and can legally demand the minimum wage and protection under US law at least.

Whilst employing cheaper undocumented labour at a number of his properties to set an example?

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.

The article clearly states the farmers are competing for groundwater using increasingly deep (expensive) wells for irrigation.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #20
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.

yes. in CA it's both river and ground water. all the wells have resulted in seriously depleted aquifers in the Central Valley and the ground has literally sunk in places.

https://medium.californiasun.co/san-joaquin-valley-californi...

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #20
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.

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Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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You’re not gonna ship that water to California.

If the article is correct that water will become more valuable than oil, then of course you're gonna ship that water to California. The economics will mandate it. Now whether the article is correct about that prediction is another question. It's an understatement to say I'm skeptical. Desalination plants produce expensive water, but not that expensive...

People will start growing crops in more sensible places.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #20
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.

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Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Help me out here. Why is using such vast quantities of water necessarily a bad thing? It evaporates right back into the atmosphere and then condenses and finds its way to the rivers again and again. It doesn't disappear. It doesn't get irretrievably ruined with industrial chemicals. Is this mostly about limited capacity?

Water vapor doesn't just fall straight down where it evaporated.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #20
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.

It absolutely is. That's how water rights in this state work. You own the land, you can tap the aquifer to your heart's content. If you're poor and can't afford to chase the water table down, then you no longer get water.

The ground is subsiding due to this[1]

See East Porterville[2] as an example

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Valley_land_subsidence

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porterville,_California#Enviro...

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #20
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.

I don't think the derogatory slang was necessary here. Your sentence could have omitted it and been perfectly clear.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #18

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And they scapegoat the workers who are powerless, instead of the employers, like Trump.

Except, of course, Trump is trying to get them to hire workers who are not powerless, and can legally demand the minimum wage and protection under US law at least.

huh? he's making the undocumented folks not powerless and able to demand at least minimum wage?

I guess that would do a good job at making poor Americans more competitive against undocumented workers

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