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A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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California is a special place. No where else in the USA/Canada do you have such a wonderful climate where you can have so many growing seasons (6?). It is the Bread Basket of NA. It would be worth helping find a solution to provide this area of the country with water.

Yeah, we will sell them water.... at a nice healthy profit.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

#12

>In the Wonderful fields, he tells me, at least 80 percent of the workers carry no documents or documents that are not real. U.S. immigration has little say-so here. Rather, it is the authority vested in Wonderful that counts. Interesting to consider in this context how illegal immigration has facilitated a continuing and escalating cost to society by subsidizing labor and environmental externalities for inefficient…

The benefits of this labor go to the private business, while the economic and social costs (education, healthcare including pregnancies the workers don't earn enough to pay for, so the state pays for it) are borne by others.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

#13

>In the Wonderful fields, he tells me, at least 80 percent of the workers carry no documents or documents that are not real. U.S. immigration has little say-so here. Rather, it is the authority vested in Wonderful that counts. Interesting to consider in this context how illegal immigration has facilitated a continuing and escalating cost to society by subsidizing labor and environmental externalities for inefficient…

The benefits of this labor go to the private business, while the economic and social costs (education, healthcare including pregnancies the workers don't earn enough to pay for, so the state pays for it) are borne by others.

And they scapegoat the workers who are powerless, instead of the employers, like Trump.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #10

The bit about water one day being more valuable than land seems to be half truth and half someone who has never lived on the otger side of the US where we have too much water. Farmers in south central VA work to keep their land dry because it rains here everyday and we average about 4" a month.

You’re not gonna ship that water to California.

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#16
Help me out here. Why is using such vast quantities of water necessarily a bad thing? It evaporates right back into the atmosphere and then condenses and finds its way to the rivers again and again. It doesn't disappear. It doesn't get irretrievably ruined with industrial chemicals. Is this mostly about limited capacity?

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #16

Help me out here. Why is using such vast quantities of water necessarily a bad thing? It evaporates right back into the atmosphere and then condenses and finds its way to the rivers again and again. It doesn't disappear. It doesn't get irretrievably ruined with industrial chemicals. Is this mostly about limited capacity?

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefits of this labor go to the private business, while the economic and social costs (education, healthcare including pregnancies the workers don't earn enough to pay for, so the state pays for it) are borne by others.

And they scapegoat the workers who are powerless, instead of the employers, like Trump.

Except, of course, Trump is trying to get them to hire workers who are not powerless, and can legally demand the minimum wage and protection under US law at least.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #10

The bit about water one day being more valuable than land seems to be half truth and half someone who has never lived on the otger side of the US where we have too much water. Farmers in south central VA work to keep their land dry because it rains here everyday and we average about 4" a month.

You’re not gonna ship that water to California.

If the article is correct that water will become more valuable than oil, then of course you're gonna ship that water to California. The economics will mandate it.

Now whether the article is correct about that prediction is another question. It's an understatement to say I'm skeptical. Desalination plants produce expensive water, but not that expensive...

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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post #17
post #16

Help me out here. Why is using such vast quantities of water necessarily a bad thing? It evaporates right back into the atmosphere and then condenses and finds its way to the rivers again and again. It doesn't disappear. It doesn't get irretrievably ruined with industrial chemicals. Is this mostly about limited capacity?

In California, we're drawing down groundwater sources faster than we're replenishing them.

Is this irrigation water ground water though? That'd be pretty uncommon, no? Usually irrigation comes from nearby rivers. Again, I'm not at all an expert at this, just trying to understand the facts without the bias this article shows.
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