Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

dw.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

381–390 of 399 posts

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#381

Post by ascar »

codesushi42 wrote: post #377
ascar wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point in derailing and making wrong statements? Cream cheese goes well inside (not on top) of sushi, which is backed by it's popularity outside of Japan. Which was a reply to GP saying cheese doesn't "go" with Japanese cuisine. None of your replies make any counter argument relevant to that, because it has nothing to do with current usage, but with future possibilities. It might not be the first choice of…

- Four months is short trip tourism. - Japanese people aren't ignorant. They don't want cream cheese on their sushi, or gobs of mayonnaise or whatever else you are accustomed to. The california rolls you enjoy are not the same as Japanese cuisine eaten by Japanese people living in Japan. - Aldi supermarkets aren't really representative of Western European tastes. You can find American food anywhere in Europe if you l…

You must be fun at parties.

> Aldi supermarkets aren't really representative of Western European tastes.

Sure, what do I know about food representative of Germany as a German. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#382

Post by ascar »

codesushi42 wrote: post #377
ascar wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point in derailing and making wrong statements? Cream cheese goes well inside (not on top) of sushi, which is backed by it's popularity outside of Japan. Which was a reply to GP saying cheese doesn't "go" with Japanese cuisine. None of your replies make any counter argument relevant to that, because it has nothing to do with current usage, but with future possibilities. It might not be the first choice of…

- Four months is short trip tourism. - Japanese people aren't ignorant. They don't want cream cheese on their sushi, or gobs of mayonnaise or whatever else you are accustomed to. The california rolls you enjoy are not the same as Japanese cuisine eaten by Japanese people living in Japan. - Aldi supermarkets aren't really representative of Western European tastes. You can find American food anywhere in Europe if you l…

Fun fact: Today I bought a self-cut sushi roll assortment in the bento area of my local supermarket in Kansai and one of them was with cream cheese in it. They have some special this week.

https://imgur.com/a/ZUMxDQ5

But maybe sushi in local Kansai supermarkets isn't representative of Japanese culture mixing new stuff with traditional cuisine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#383

Post by growlist »

shaki-dora wrote: post #214
growlist wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an industrial estate almost literally a stones throw from my window (here in the UK) that makes all kinds of things, especially Aero related.

Look again in a year ;)

I remember all the FUD pre-referendum about how their would be an immediate economic crash the day after a vote to leave the EU. Look how well that prediction turned out.

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#384

Post by alkyon »

rfinney wrote: post #250
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Ireland has done excellent-it was the poorest country in Europe when they joined in the 1970s, today it’s among the top. Eastern and south-eastern countries had lines for bread when the USSR dissolved. Ten years later, they joined the EU. Today, life in Poland or Hungary is close to catching up with Western Europe. Greece had about the same GDP per capita as Turkey when they joined. Today, it’s closer to 3x Tur…

Check. "Ireland [...] was the poorest country in Europe" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_... Check 1972 figures. Spain and Greece were poorer. The unlisted Soviet client states were likely even much poorer. "Poland or Hungary is close to catching up with Western Europe." Poland and Hungary have 1/3 the per capita GDP as Britain. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28n…

"Poland and Hungary have 1/3 the per capita GDP as Britain." More accurate comaparision would involve PPP numbers. $43k UK vs $29k Poland and $28k Hungary. So after all they ARE catching... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#385

Post by tomp »

superpermutat0r wrote: post #345
nradov wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animals have been genetically modifying themselves to have stronger immune systems for millions of years. Are you proposing to halt evolution through natural selection?

I am not. I am saying that evolution is time tested on a huge scale, GMO can never be. By using GMOs one is definitely going to get black swans.

I don't understand how people don't get that... Like, half of the concern about global warming/climate change isn't warming per se - it might be a good thing if we'd be able to grow food in Siberia - but change - the unforeseen, unpredictable consequences of throwing a complex chaotic system out of a balance it's maintained for millions of years. Now exactly the same applies to GMOs, but all of a sudden the "scientific community" reaches the opposite consensus.

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#386

Post by nradov »

superpermutat0r wrote: post #345
nradov wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animals have been genetically modifying themselves to have stronger immune systems for millions of years. Are you proposing to halt evolution through natural selection?

I am not. I am saying that evolution is time tested on a huge scale, GMO can never be. By using GMOs one is definitely going to get black swans.

Other techniques can produce genetic changes just as large as direct genetic modification. For example, irradiation, interspecies hybridization, and selective breeding. So your "black swan" argument is invalid.

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#387

Post by ric2b »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #372
zeroname wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the "deep personal losses" suffered in the garment industry, in electronics, in agriculture? What about all the people that lost their jobs as a result of technological progress? What of those poor ice pickers, who lost their livelihood to the invention of the refrigerator?

right. more examples of the same. economic gains are unevenly distributed and some workers experience a deep net loss. so, what regulatory or governmental policies and programs did Friedman think could actually help people once they arrive in that state? what can an economist say about policy for workers whose livelihood disappeared?

Supposedly you can offer adult re-training, free if your industry is in a decline.

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#388

Post by paulgrant999 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #193
TorKlingberg wrote: post #22

Japan has avoided the madness of tariffs and trade wars that has affected the west recently. Instead they have been quietly negotiating trade deals with everyone and generally getting along. Good on them! Also it includes cheese, which will make westerners in Japan very happy.

For those interested in why - Japan always had very high tariffs on cheese (40% on WTO, 37.5% on EU). In comparison, the US has a general tariff of 10% on cheese, with many exceptions making it 0%. http://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2019_2/data/e_04.htm https://hts.usitc.gov/?query=cheese Similarly high tariffs across the board on most imports has been the norm in Japan for decades, with many agricultural produc…

... might be because the US is sitting on millions of pounds of inferior, surplus cheese.

Like everything, good logic, taken with bad facts, yields bad conclusions.

"tariffs" isn't always bad. in fact, most of the time, its good.

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#389

Post by anigbrowl »

lispm wrote: post #358
anigbrowl wrote: post #244

Why does it only provide for free movement of capital and goods but not of people?

because it's just a 'free trade agreement' and Japan is not asking for membership in the EU (or EEA)

Labour is tradeable. You should be able to sell your labour with the same freedom others have to sell their goods.

Re: EU and Japan create world's biggest free trade zone

#390

Post by tomp »

nradov wrote: post #386
superpermutat0r wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not. I am saying that evolution is time tested on a huge scale, GMO can never be. By using GMOs one is definitely going to get black swans.

Other techniques can produce genetic changes just as large as direct genetic modification. For example, irradiation, interspecies hybridization, and selective breeding. So your "black swan" argument is invalid.

Which of those techniques can implant virus/bacterial gene into plant DNA?

It’s like saying “nuclear bomb could happen randomly in the universe” like yeah, it could (and there are actually examples of natural reactors), but what are the odds, versus human engineering?!

Post reply on HN