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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by _jal »

dancek wrote: post #175
marcus_holmes wrote: post #127

I find the US prudishness thing so fascinating. I'm travelling at the moment, and meeting lots of Americans (and Europeans for contrast). There's definitely a huge difference in tolerance for swearing and blasphemy. Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. I guess it all comes down to the religion. Americans do seem to be more religiou…

To be fair, no major Christian church teaches that enjoying sex is a sin. The Roman Catholic Church does teach that contraception is sinful. No major Protestant church does.

True, but in the US, they mostly all lay on the neuroticism about sex pretty heavily.

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Post by oefrha »

koonsolo wrote: post #94
bad_user wrote: post #43

What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

Another thing I saw in US is that they can't make the distinction between hardcore porn, soft porn, erotica, nudity and showing some cleavage. I used to work at a European game company that made erotic games for PocketPC. Our biggest market was US, and most negativity also came from US. Video striptease is labeled as "porn". What they preach is very different from how they act. You cannot say fuck or shit on tv or in…

> You cannot say fuck or shit on tv

What TV shows are you talking about? Kids shows? American television in general is full of profanity. Some shows have way higher profanity content than what’s observed in real life, they always makes me wonder if certain demographics really fucking talk like that all the time.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by sametmax »

dathinab wrote: post #165

Sometimes I wonder how (un-)realistic it is to fill a complain with the EU of google misusing it's quasi monopoly on search to actively discriminate against: - People with open opinions about sex (e.g. down ranking there blog posts etc.). - People which had been victims of sexual violence (and similar) by making it harder for them to inform them self/get help. - Sex workers. - etc. (note that this is a unordered list…

For google it's not that bad.

I have a niche french blog about Python and porn. Had it for years. Google still brought 10 millions views to us since it started. We are ranked pretty well in the french version of the search engine.

Now It's true I have now way of knowing how well we would rank without the porn, but funnily, it's 10% of the content, but 60% of the traffic.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by rootusrootus »

mirimir wrote: post #152
kome wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's the most frustrating thing about being an european in a internet dominated by American "puritan" tech giants... Linguistic and cultural imperialism are a thing. I don't know how to fight back. Those companies have a lot of money.

It's even harder for old-school Japanese norms. What used to pass as mildly titillating in Japan is XXX porn in the US. And some of what's shocking there is easily child porn in the US. That's even so for some German naturalist stuff, and that was never even intended to be shocking. For example, one of my favorite Miike films ("Visitor Q") begins with sex between a guy and his teenage daughter, who has been working a…

Is this the same Japan that blurs out genitals in porn films? Even in puritan America that doesn't happen.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by koonsolo »

watwut wrote: post #143
koonsolo wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing I saw in US is that they can't make the distinction between hardcore porn, soft porn, erotica, nudity and showing some cleavage. I used to work at a European game company that made erotic games for PocketPC. Our biggest market was US, and most negativity also came from US. Video striptease is labeled as "porn". What they preach is very different from how they act. You cannot say fuck or shit on tv or in…

Video striptease sounds to me like porn and I am not American. What else would it be, seriously? Is it really normal to colleagues gathering in a striptease bar? Cause I did not encountered it, through I heard people complain about some teams and companies doing that. But that is it - complains+anger not acceptance as norm.

In Europe we label portraying sexy nude women as erotica. Playboy is not porn to us, it's erotica. Porno is something completely different, and explicitly shows having intercouse. Having only 1 general name for everything probably doesn't make it easier to make a distinction.

I know US colleagues who regulary go to striptease bars. It seems more normal in US than in EU.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

dancek wrote: post #175
marcus_holmes wrote: post #127

I find the US prudishness thing so fascinating. I'm travelling at the moment, and meeting lots of Americans (and Europeans for contrast). There's definitely a huge difference in tolerance for swearing and blasphemy. Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. I guess it all comes down to the religion. Americans do seem to be more religiou…

To be fair, no major Christian church teaches that enjoying sex is a sin. The Roman Catholic Church does teach that contraception is sinful. No major Protestant church does.

Lust is considered one of the deadly sins.

I'm not sure where the line between "lust" and "acceptable desire" is, and I suspect most Christians aren't either - although marriage and procreation usually seem to be involved somewhere.

There are far more unconditionally sex-positive religions.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by BerislavLopac »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #181
lou1306 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Italy is (was?) quite religious too, what with Vatican City and a very long Christian-Democratic dominance in national politics, but it is also the birthplace of commedia sexy [1], and erotic comics artists such as Milo Manara and Guido Crepax were quite famous back in their day (they still are). The US seem especially prudish when it comes the depiction of sex in arts and entertainment. [1]: https://it.wikipedia.org…

> it is also the birthplace of commedia sexy [1] > [1]: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commedia_sexy_all%27italiana Sure enough, the Italian genre name is commedia sexy . I'm always interested in phrases like this -- sexy is obviously an English word. It's very common for foreign words to be borrowed when the speaker feels that the concept they express doesn't have a good match in his own language. I'm pretty confiden…

I can't speak for Italian, but coming for another very heavily Catholic country I would say that the reason is that most other words having to do with sex are very much perceived as either bad (e.g. blasphemous or just rude), or simply medical, based on the traditional usage. The word "sexy" (as opposed to "sex") has always had an air of playfulness and joy.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by Lazare »

Yeah. The article is accurate, and it's horrifying. It's nonsensical, harmful, and is, literally, killing people.

Worse, I don't really...see...a fix? The people being hurt by this are the least powerful and most vulnerable; they're not going to force a policy reversal. And everyone else just doesn't care that much, and even if they do, what can they do about it?

I find it all very depressing.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Post by charliebrownau »

Gday Platforms that censor speech List :-

* Facebook

* Twitter

* Google

* Youtube

* TUMBLR

* Pateron

* Stripe

* Paypal

* Twitch

* Spotify

* Apple

* pin interest

* LinkedIn

* Mailchimp

* Wordpress

* mastodon

* azure

* Mastercard

* Godaddy

* MEDIUM

* Shopify

* Cloudflare

* pusher

* WIKI

* Reddit

* teespring

* Slack

* coinbase

* GOFUNDME

* VISA

* Square

* Bitpay

* ROKU

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