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Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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Re: Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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I agree, and this is why I distinguish college, which is a place that undergrads go for 4 years, from university, which is the larger institution as a whole. For certain characteristics of colleges, I believe it is fair to see students and parents as informed consumers; e.g., when considering cost and prestige, they probably do a good job. Without anything to substantiate this, I would also guess that students do a r…

I think GP was referring to the undergrad program. For what it's worth, I haven't met many students who knew much about their degree program's curricula or their general education requirements. Not knowing this makes them seem ineffective at evaluating the college. Given all the stories I hear of, for example, art students surprised that they cannot find jobs, I'm not sure I trust incoming students as estimators of e…

To a large degree, I agree with both you and RK.

Re: Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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While these publications try to rank universities, I engage in the smaller task of trying to rank undergraduate colleges: http://college.mychances.net/college-rankings.php The decision to rank them based on students' decisions of where to attend may be questionable, but at least the "science" is straightforward.

Is there a section where I, as a college student, can just add my statistics?

Re: Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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My last startup was in higher ed, and the stories about manipulating ranking are amazing. Everybody knows what goes into the rankings, and everybody manipulates the inputs. As an example, one of the inputs is percentage of alumni who donate. So one large school has a gigantic push every year to get just one dollar from every alumni that they can. I actually sat in on a seminar where somebody from the university broke…

Princeton is obsessed with getting $1 from me every year for this reason.

Re: Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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While these publications try to rank universities, I engage in the smaller task of trying to rank undergraduate colleges: http://college.mychances.net/college-rankings.php The decision to rank them based on students' decisions of where to attend may be questionable, but at least the "science" is straightforward.

Is there a section where I, as a college student, can just add my statistics?

Yes, definitely. It's a 2 step process that probably has way too much friction right now (and at some point soon I'll be asking HN for feedback, but that's not for right now). (1) Create for an account ( http://www.mychances.net/signup.php ). Once you confirm, it takes you into step (2) automatically, creating your profile and then letting you add the colleges that you got decisions from.

Re: Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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University ranking is a strange beast. On one hand, it may merely indicate the amount of endowment a university receives from its alumni per capita. On the other, it may truly rank a school by the merits of its research.

But more often than not, I find that university ranking is mostly to measure how endowed a university is, no pun intended. If a university--particularly a well-established research university--were so good, why couldn't it turn a mediocre student into a star student?

(Went to Arizona State; not exactly high on the US rankings)

Re: Questionable Science Behind Academic Rankings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a section where I, as a college student, can just add my statistics?

Yes, definitely. It's a 2 step process that probably has way too much friction right now (and at some point soon I'll be asking HN for feedback, but that's not for right now). (1) Create for an account ( http://www.mychances.net/signup.php ). Once you confirm, it takes you into step (2) automatically, creating your profile and then letting you add the colleges that you got decisions from.

Great. I thought my statistics may be interesting* but I didn't really see a signup area for college students vs prospective college students.

* For Northwestern, my GPA was very low while my test scores were probably abnormally high.

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