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How do you keep the interviews on the DL? The few times I've moved positions it's been a nightmare trying to keep my current boss from figuring it out.
Schedule them at lunch, do them before work, have a doctor's appointment to go to, there are a multitude of excuses you can give. It's business, they aren't your friends, you don't need to tell them the whole truth.
Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?
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#23Politically companies "want" to budget raises as a fixed cost and divy up among employees. So they'll try to negotiate against their budget and fixed, manageable raises / promotions. Lots of people will play along.
The logic is insane. Suppose I'm the employee, and selling a car; the company is buying one. I want 10k, the company says, I've only "budgeted" 7k, but will agree to 8k. Meanwhile I have a buyer willing to pay 12k; company says no deal, and instead goes out and pays 15k for the same car. This seems to be how many of these situations unfold. The crazy thing is many employees are willing to stay for less than they can get on the market; but the company just won't do it.
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#25I found I was being 12% less than my peers. My boss said yes I'll get you a pay rise to match. 6 months later, nothing had happened. It then took me 3 weeks to get another job paying 20% more. When I told my employer I had this offer, all of a sudden the 12% appeared. I said no, too little too late - a few weeks later they said "Name your price" to stay. Simple explanation: they saved money. Of course now they have t…
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#26I've seen it time and time again. An employee wants a 10% raise but management says no and the employee quits. Then after a long search a new hire comes in at 10% more. Why not just give the existing employee that 10%? I think the reason is that big raises are not sustainable over time. If you keep giving your employees 10% raises every year, eventually you can't afford it. So you keep raises to 2-3% as long as possi…
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Schedule them at lunch, do them before work, have a doctor's appointment to go to, there are a multitude of excuses you can give. It's business, they aren't your friends, you don't need to tell them the whole truth.
The difficulty I Found was when there were 5 in short order - they start to notice your absenteeism.
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#28I've seen it time and time again. An employee wants a 10% raise but management says no and the employee quits. Then after a long search a new hire comes in at 10% more. Why not just give the existing employee that 10%? I think the reason is that big raises are not sustainable over time. If you keep giving your employees 10% raises every year, eventually you can't afford it. So you keep raises to 2-3% as long as possi…
However, most employers have no idea how much each employee is worth, especially in engineering. The equation is basically “coder? Ok, add $50k. special coder? Ok, add another $50k. We can’t do too many of those though.”
It’s like, utterly out of touch with the actual business value that people create.
Instead, companies should actually track changes to their business, and then map those back to the person-quarters that unlocked that business.
That’s work though. And it maybe opens you up to political infighting over those attributions.
But I suspect people would be more chill about it if they were getting paid what they are worth.
And, side bonus: you’d find a bunch of people who weren’t contributing much for their pay and save a lot of money by firing them.
Other side bonus: you’d probably eliminate gender and race based pay gaps in your company and drastically increase diversity, with many of the top female and minority workers joining you because you’ll actually pay what they’re worth, not what someone like them is “traditionally” assessed for.
In the end, all of that is probably too scary for most companies. We’d rather just follow some arbitrary rules and know wer’re going to get paid, and put the whole reaponsibility for solvency on the executive team, than to take responsibility for ourselves making a real, traceable contribution to the business.
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#29Three main reasons which feed back on each other: 1.) Giving big raises to existing employees often causes morale problems with their coworkers. People talk, and they get resentful if someone who (in their view) is working no harder than them is suddenly getting paid $20-30K more. So giving a big raise to one person usually means you have to give it to all of them. There are mitigating circumstances if you can point…