Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by SalimoS » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:43 PM UTC

nickbee wrote: post #25

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it doesn't sit well with me that Apple yields so much power on what software their phones can run after it sells them At the end of the day, you can compile and run anything on your machine. This is just regulating distribution. Given the specific breaches at hand by Facebook and Google, a balance seems to have been found (acceptable to most users) between freedom and security.

At the end of the day, you can compile and run anything on your machine. Not really. You have to pay the ransom^W^W$100 for a developer account every year.

not anymore, for your personal use you don't need to pay, but the build will expire in 7 days

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by olegbl » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:44 PM UTC

Now I'm really curious if they're going to casually shut down doordash (afaik the doordash app for the dashers uses enterprise certs).

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by askafriend » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:44 PM UTC

Let’s say you’re using a Google API like Maps, and you violate terms by snapshotting sections of their maps and storing them on your severs so you can serve static maps without making API calls. They’d shut down your API access immediately

Google and Facebook both knew the terms. They both knew that the Enterprise Distribution Program was for internal use only. They still put ads out in the wild to recruit regular consumers to use internal apps which is beyond the scope of the program. Why would the certificates not be revoked?

I don’t understand people who are acting offended that Apple is enforcing the clear terms of service it laid out.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by rising-sky » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:44 PM UTC

dewey wrote: post #38

rising-sky wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar concerns. I think this might, in the long term, be detrimental to Apple if companies begin to revolt against their overarching, seemingly totalitarian power regardless of if the intent is noble. As mentioned in a separate Verge article- "One giant platform declared another giant platform’s market research program inappropriate, then disappeared it with a Thanos-style finger snap" also from same article, attri…

Don’t quote text with code blocks please, it’s unreadable on mobile.

sorry, fixed

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by iamleppert » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

A real show of power would be Apple disabling all of Facebook and Google's public apps, and then bricking all of Facebook and Google's employees' phones.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

nickbee wrote: post #25

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it doesn't sit well with me that Apple yields so much power on what software their phones can run after it sells them At the end of the day, you can compile and run anything on your machine. This is just regulating distribution. Given the specific breaches at hand by Facebook and Google, a balance seems to have been found (acceptable to most users) between freedom and security.

At the end of the day, you can compile and run anything on your machine. Not really. You have to pay the ransom^W^W$100 for a developer account every year.

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Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by stevenjohns » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

Extremely happy with my decision to get an iPhone. Events like these are what is going to keep me as a customer moving forward, too.

I unplugged[0] from Google Last year - went DDG for search, went to iOS, dropped gmail for fastmail, etc. As time goes on I’m continually reaffirmed that I made the right decisions.

[0] I still use some Google services, like YouTube, frequently, some of my mail still goes through Gmail, albeit forwarded to my Fastmail account, and I occasionally use Maps.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by theshrike79 » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

zozbot123 wrote: post #18

Rumor has it that Google's subsequent requests for clarification to Apple have gone entirely unanswered, save for automated messages stating that Apple's decision on this matter should be regarded as "final" and "binding", and that no further statement from Apple should be expected.

...so they're giving Google a taste of their own medicine?

Maybe Google should try to get a post on the front page of Hacker News? That that seems to be the only way to get the attention of Google's support.

Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:45 PM UTC

berbec wrote: post #35

zozbot123 wrote: post #18

Rumor has it that Google's subsequent requests for clarification to Apple have gone entirely unanswered, save for automated messages stating that Apple's decision on this matter should be regarded as "final" and "binding", and that no further statement from Apple should be expected.

Maybe Google and Apple's "decision is final" bots can work it out between them.

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Re: Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps

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Post by arduinomancer » Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

I don't get how everyone working on these apps thought there would be no issues doing this.

"Yup, getting consumers to bypass the app store and side-load our app is perfectly reasonable, no issues here. No way this could possibly backfire."

Only thing I could see is the PM's didn't actually understand what the enterprise certificate program was supposed to be for.