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Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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post #305

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I don't use Chrome or its developer tools, but I do use Firefox's. They work well for my needs, because I can inspect network requests, including editing and re-sending them, and I can debug JS.

Wait, how do you edit/resend a network request?

Using the network inspector, there's a button when you click on a specific request to edit and resend it.

Here's a SO answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/28775346

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Is there any news on Wayland support? I had read here previously that Firefox 65 was when support was going to be available by default[0] but there are no references in the release notes. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18657960

It's opt-in at runtime. https://glandium.org/blog/?p=3899 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18465506

And because that can cause problems when spawning third party applications from Firefox, there's another environment variable to opt-in in last nightly: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1522780

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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If you use the Multi-Account Containers extension, you can set AirBnB to always open in the "Facebook" container so it'd have access to your Facebook cookies.

I do use that extension, but it specifically blocks you from adding new domains to the Facebook container, which is built into Firefox. I can't figure out how to turn off that built in one and use the multi-account one instead.

> I can't figure out how to turn off that built in one

I don't see the facebook container to be built-in. I have only the multi-account container extension installed, and I can make any website to open by default in the container I have created for facebook.

I think, you will have to uninstall/disable the facebook-container extension, and just have the multi-account container extension enabled.

FB container - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont...

Multi-account container - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Would you happen to know how safe and separate the containers are? Like, if I had a specific container used for Banking sites, would it be relatively safe from other containers? Currently, I use Firefox for casual browsing and Chrome for email and financial related sites. But it would be nice to just use Firefox for both. I'm just worried it would be less safe.

Is there a way to configure Firefox so that a single-use container gets created when certain sites get visited, and discarded when they're closed? I don't want to delete cookies by default (since I don't like to lose my shopping cart due to accidentally closing a tab in a shop I haven't used before), but I certainly would like to be able to ban sites that use cookies in a user-hostile manner from storing cookies perm…

> I don't want to delete cookies by default

IIUC you want a container to be isolated to a single website, you have to create a container for that website, open the site in that container, and then click the multi-account container tab in the toolbar, and select to option to open this website in that container by default. From then on whenever you open the website, it gets opened in that container by default.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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I'm hoping it will be less crashy than the last three or four releases. But they don't say so in the announcement...

Does anybody know whether we get to blame Servo for the crashiness? Rust code is supposed to be "safe", but that never really pans out in industrial use; maturity is a better predictor of stability.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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I would suggest you consider this: with Microsoft moving Edge to chromium, there are now only 3 engines standing: Chromium, webkit, and gecko. Therefore Firefox is important to deny Google enormous control over the browser and therefore the internet. Firefox desperately needs a revenue stream that is independent from Google. Although Google has not done so yet -- it's imo very valuable to Google to preserve the illus…

Does the Mozilla foundation accept private donations? Even if they do, they clearly don't push it enough. I have no idea if it would bring in enough revenue, but it would presumably help? I'd much prefer a Wikipedia-esque donation request on the new tab page than any of Mozilla's other partnerships.

They do, but donations are not put toward Firefox development.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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I feel like I've been waiting a long time for autoplay blocking - does this keep being pushed back or have I missed a feature cancellation/config setting/extension announcement?

We implemented 2 versions ago, however we wanted to do some user testing to make sure it wasnt going to break too many websites and annoy too many users (We ended up changing the behaviour based on those tests). It will ship and be enabled by default in Firefox 66, it will not have a whitelist of allowed websites but autoplay on all websites will be disabled by default (configurable obviously), if autoplay is blocked…

As a quick side note, I just want to throw out how grateful I am both as a developer and as a user that Firefox handled autoplay blocking in a sane way.

- An actual notification the user can see and control, which means as a developer I can give people an easy way to re-enable audio if something breaks.

- Actual user controls instead of an opaque algorithm I can't override that randomly decides for me on the fly whether or not I want to hear something played.

- No default whitelist, which means when I turn it off, it actually turns off everywhere, and I don't have to spend a week wondering if the next link I click on is just going to start autoplaying anyway because the site is popular.

It still boggles my mind that Chromium's policy is to just turn autoplay back on if you navigate to a new page on the same domain. It makes the entire feature worthless, it's like they assume the only way users are ever going to visit websites is from a search page or social links.

I don't think Firefox's policy is perfect -- user gestures are interpreted so broadly that they're incredibly easy to abuse[0], and I fully expect websites to start widely abusing them in the future. And the UI for adding exceptions is still really cumbersome -- as a developer I wish there was some way to whitelist domains from the notification bar without going into settings.

But all of this is just quibbles, the implementation is fine. It's just so much more straightforward and logical than what Chromium is doing. I'm at the point where I'm just really happy that Firefox is still rolling out features with predictable behaviors that feel, for lack of a better word, sensible.

I feel like increasingly where features like this are concerned, Firefox is the adult in the room, and for whatever it's worth, I really appreciate y'all being there. Seriously, I hope that everyone on the Firefox team feels good about themselves when they go home at night. I think you're doing good work.

[0]: https://danshumway.com/blog/chrome-autoplay/demo/

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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post #362

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> Passwords managed by bitwarden Is there a specific reason you don't use Firefox' password manager? (Read: Do I have reason to migrate out of it?)

If there was an option to import chrome passwords into Firefox I couldn't find it. > Read: Do I have reason to migrate out of it? No, but I suggest you try it out for a day or two, see what you think.

Doesn't Firefox give you the option of importing everything (bookmarks, passwords, etc.) from another browser the first time you fire it up?

IIRC, it also does this the first time you launch it under a new profile.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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post #269

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Thank you. Your using `we` made me go to github contributors and sure enough you were one of the top guys :) I guess with the right `hintnames` and `:bind w tabnext` working I am 95% of the way already. Couple of things if I don't come across as ungrateul-- :nativeinstall didn't work for me, so I manually did the (seemingly risky) step. :native now shows 0.1.10 installed but C-i doesn't yet work. I'll look around and…

What do you mean by the manual step for nativeinstall? It is risky if you don't trust us, which is why Mozilla won't let us do it automatically, so it has to be manual. What do you mean by imap and nmap? We already have separate binds for normal and insert mode (which is why you can type into text boxes ;) ). I think Ctrl-Z was bound to ignore mode in Pentadactyl. Now I think about it, I don't know why it isn't bound…

Sorry i immediately set editorcmd but the edit was for some reason posted as a sibling comment that I then deleted.(I couldn't reply immediately afterwards because this website didn't have a reply button for your comment then)

Maybe ZZ could be stop then?

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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I’m a diehard Firefox user and supporter, but with every release there are still things I wait on the WebExtensions support to improve: 1. There’s still no full featured Tab Mix Plus possible with the current APIs. That’s been a big bummer for some years now. 2. The most downloaded session management extension now is still not as rich and good as the old XUL extension Session Manager (from mozdev). 3. I probably have…

Best not hold your breath. You are an old-school power user and 99.9% of users no longer know or care about any of the functionality you're talking about. I don't have any specific retorts to your points other than pointing you to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/textarea-cach... for a Lazarus replacement (although I thought Firefox does this by default, and I don't understand why you need an extension…

Thanks for the pointer to this extension. I'll check it out. One of the things Lazarus provided (at the cost of adding some effort in maintaining privacy) was to save the history of form fields across sites and across restarts. In my knowledge, Firefox allows saving text fields, but not text areas. Periodic saving and history were quite helpful especially when writing longer walls of text like on HN comments or posts on other platforms.
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