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As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…
if I google my name on github I can find code that was stolen from my time working at one of the major NEV's (not Huawei/ZTE) by our colleagues working at the Chinese site. The guy stealing it literally uploaded it all to his github repo including my original copyright stanza just after he moved to a Chinese state backed company. frankly, speaking Chinese makes you an expert about this as much as is speaking English…
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From my link: "President Trump had previously publicly toyed with the idea of granting Ms. Meng freedom if it would help secure a trade deal, much to the dismay of law enforcement officials."
President Trump has toyed with a lot of stupid ideas that are dead on arrival.
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What the fuck is the relevance of this story? We're just sharing tales of Chinese people misbehaving now? People in here need to do some serious soul-searching about their attitude toward 1.3 billion people. The transparent racism that pops up on every thread about China stealing trade secrets is embarrassing.
Excuse me? I'm not being racist, the friend of mine in the story was also a Chinese guy. From what I understand, at my University there was a pretty strong culture among Chinese students to share code and homeworks. I even remember my old teacher telling me they caught a Chinese grad student who ran a business outsourcing undergrad CS homework to code-shops back in China. I don't see how this is racist, it's just obs…
That is racist. You probably don't see that, but only because your racism makes you less rational.
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You're welcome to read all my posts and comments, and they are public. I have been reading hacker news for a few years and only recently wanted to sign up. so what's your point?
You are nakedly cheerleading for an authoritarian China and it's creepy and weird.
Authoritarian China controls both the education, media and internet. It can and does fan the flames of ethnonationalism for political purposes.
The propaganda is usually reasonable sounding, but actually incorrect reading of history.
The more nationalist individuals make their own decisions and are encouraged to be themselves propagandists. Especially spreading propaganda towards other ethnically Chinese people but also to the wider world.
The infectiousness and effectiveness of this propaganda is actually quite fascinating to observe.
Everywhere on the internet there are examples of this information warfare.
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> And it works, too. Look at the quality of life in China, compared to India... Or Vietnam. Can't say for Vietnam as I don't know much, but quality of life in India is much much better than quality of life in China. People in India have access to full Internet, have access to real Democracy, have freedom of speech, live free life, aren't afraid to speak their mind, minorities are not being thrown in concentration cam…
> but quality of life in India is much much better than quality of life in China Just no. > People in India have access to full Internet Internet penetration in India is 25% compared to China's 71%. I suspect most people would take censored internet over no internet[0]. > have access to real Democracy I suspect this is one of those hierarchy of needs things. India. India has 21% of its population living on under $1.9…
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if I google my name on github I can find code that was stolen from my time working at one of the major NEV's (not Huawei/ZTE) by our colleagues working at the Chinese site. The guy stealing it literally uploaded it all to his github repo including my original copyright stanza just after he moved to a Chinese state backed company. frankly, speaking Chinese makes you an expert about this as much as is speaking English…
I've found many "weird" repos in github with full codebases that should be secret (like SDKs, linux device drivers, etc) that were posted by Chinese people. I never understood the reason. I wonder if it's related to this?
The kind of codebases you mention are actually good to have in the open :).
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I've found many "weird" repos in github with full codebases that should be secret (like SDKs, linux device drivers, etc) that were posted by Chinese people. I never understood the reason. I wonder if it's related to this?
Gongkai?[0] The kind of codebases you mention are actually good to have in the open :). -- [0] - https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297
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if I google my name on github I can find code that was stolen from my time working at one of the major NEV's (not Huawei/ZTE) by our colleagues working at the Chinese site. The guy stealing it literally uploaded it all to his github repo including my original copyright stanza just after he moved to a Chinese state backed company. frankly, speaking Chinese makes you an expert about this as much as is speaking English…
I've found many "weird" repos in github with full codebases that should be secret (like SDKs, linux device drivers, etc) that were posted by Chinese people. I never understood the reason. I wonder if it's related to this?
What I want to say is that this wasn't some cloak+dagger operation as the US media paints it. When I say US media one must also consider the amplification of these news from other FVEY members - especially Australia who were very vocal about Huawei being a security risk - all very heavily involved in amplifying this manufactured outrage.
Another reason why the IP-theft angle (as reported in the West) is true but still exaggerated is that from what I have seen at the standardization meetings (again since mid-2000 till today - which is when LTE/-a were conceived is that Huawei was unlike their Western competitors very aggressive in innovating. I can't say the same thing about the delegates from Ericsson, A/LU, Siemens, Nokia which sent (quite old) people that were promoted away internally to look after these bureaucratic process. Huawei outperformed all of them (especially in 4G, 5G, SDN and the Future-Netwerks/IGN even M2M/IoT topics). They invested incredible amounts of time and money in innovation (through the standards path) almost like a start-up, which can't be said for the others and set up bodies in China (CENELEC) to ensure being on par with ETSI regs.
What hurt the established (big) guys most is that they actually thought like a start-up. If you worked at Huawei as a junior in Italy and other sites, you were allowed to move across departments and fields getting a well rounded picture of how the telco-sector works. If you wanted to gain the same experience with the big guys you'd have to stay 15-20 years in the company as opposed to 3-5 with Huawei. This is why Huawei engineers are highly sought after by other telco firms.
Lastly Huawei has been always competing on price. I got downvoted for saying this before here because people only saw the price-tags of the latest UEs like the P-range etc, but this isn't what we're talking about when we speak about NEV's (and from a security pov the risk isn't so much in the handsets but the rest of the infrastructure that makes the lions share of the R&D work). Huawei kit was (and still is) the worst and most shoddy equipment you can get in terms of Interoparability. (IOT means "interoperability testing" in this context and the industry used to employ whole departments in this field of work). Despite the crap quality they could sell their wares very cheaply across Africa and emerging countries (often to questionable regimes, ... but so did all the others only that their prices eventually ended up being to high once Huawei entered that regional market). So if it wouldn't be Huawei selling custom-made Lawful-Intercept (LI) to these dictators it would still be the established players doing it ...
The only thing that has changed in this game is the perception of how China is viewed in the world. Trust is a fickle thing and once you start playing with protectionism and trade-war that trust is over and from a security POV you have no other choice than re-think your supply-chain. Also to be fair to the established NEVs: Huawei sold their kit across the globe and still operates R&D centers across Europe employing thousands, the established players entered China and moved a large amount of innovation into China, the playing field wasn't equal. Huawei could tap into the know-how overseas and back home, while the established players operating in China faced a lot of restrictions.
Damn this is getting long, last point: if you are able to undercut your competitor at a loss (because you're propped up by your own government) there is simply no way for the others to compete with you. This is the kicker IMO and not the topic of Huawei being a natsec threat (which only is a symptom once trust broke down).
EDIT: TL;DR I'm not saying they didn't steal things but the information is twisted the way it is reported. And if we speak about backdoors we'd have to equally speak about threat-models and here backdoors are only tangentially interesting since the vulns that stem from shoddy engineering (hello crappy ASN1 parsers) are much cheaper to harness than some hypothetical purpose-made backdoor that costs millions to implement and keep covered-up. (Occam's razor)
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> you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. Reminds me of the movie "Firefox" [1] with Clint Eastwood. The plot? An all-American hero sneaks deep into the UDSSR to steal a new high-tech aircraft. And I'm pretty sure Hollywood is still pumping out ideological crap like that. [1] https://www.imdb.com/t…
Interesting comparison, given that Firefox was set in the context of the Cold War. The US and China certainly seem to be developing this kind of "frenemy" relationship where they're competitors and at the same time they're commercial partners. How different would the Cold War have been if the U.S.S.R. had done the lion's share of the U.S.'s manufacturing?
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the quantity matters, and it's very clear that China did it a lot more. Also, Meng got arrested because we are in a state of law and she broke the law, not because some despot chose to
Are you sure? The NSA runs a global surveillance program, monitoring/copying most of the internet traffic, and industrial espionage (against all non-US states & companies, allies or not) is a stated goal of this program. I don't know how well-funded the chinese IP theft program is, but I doubt it's much larger.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2015/06/27/i-spy-you-spy
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-nsa-scandal-economic-espio...