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Post by johannkokos »

dc443 wrote: post #173
ezVoodoo wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

I don't get it. What you wrote and what you're responding to are not in contradiction with one another. On what basis is what GP said a lie? What relevance does 5G have to anything? Progress in technology is progress regardless. I just watched a few episodes of Black Mirror so I'm in cynical mode. I'm not trying to be argumentative but it just felt more like a non-sequitur than anything... Progress is good (mostly),…

> On what basis is what GP said a lie?

stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁”

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Post by zahreeley »

dc443 wrote: post #173
ezVoodoo wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

I don't get it. What you wrote and what you're responding to are not in contradiction with one another. On what basis is what GP said a lie? What relevance does 5G have to anything? Progress in technology is progress regardless. I just watched a few episodes of Black Mirror so I'm in cynical mode. I'm not trying to be argumentative but it just felt more like a non-sequitur than anything... Progress is good (mostly),…

Chinese history is about stealing trade secrets or borders

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Post by justaguyhere »

chillacy wrote: post #163
roenxi wrote: post #159

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The issue isn't really who is in the wrong, the issue is that China and America have different standards for determining what wrong means both formally and informally. It is one thing to impose American standards on places like Pakistan with the Osama assassination, since they can't really fight back in a meaningful way. It is a big deal to assert something like that against China, who is effectively a military and e…

I'll pile on and mention that right and wrong are poorly suited for geopolitical analysis in general, it's generally understood that relationships are shaped by power and strategic alliances over principles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relatio...

Regardless of the countries in question, most of the time it feels like "if we do it, it is right. if you do, it isn't" is what is happening. In other words, "we are always right, you are right when it suits us and not when it doesn't"

How often do countries admit they were wrong? Especially powerful nations like the U.S or China?

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Post by peteretep »

CathayRe wrote: post #177
peteretep wrote: post #157

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> No other country, despite what crimes Huawei conducted against them could have done this This isn't the first person Canada has extradited. Italy, China, Netherlands and Mozambique all make an appearance in the list of people worthy enough to also have Wikipedia pages[0]. European countries regularly refuse to extradite people to the US if they think they're at risk from the death penalty there. America may be larg…

And yet China is making a big deal about it, saying they are unfairly treated, No Chinese should ever be extradited. US and Western Nation coming to harm again. If that is how the act when they are considering themselves the underdog or developing countries, imagine what they will do when they are full evolved . Note: Of course US and many other countries aren't Sane either. But the tone used by the Chinese have neve…

Sounds like they’ve just started to realise — like the Russians — what a geopolitical risk it is when the real power brokers in a country have large chunks of their assets in Western countries, seizable by governments. Can’t be a decent strongman if you can’t protect your people.

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Post by cm2187 »

product50 wrote: post #155
peteretep wrote: post #146

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> Look at how they got Meng from Huawei arrested Via a Canadian American extradition warrant that has existed for a loooong time before the arrest, and in such a way that Meng is protected from extradition if an independent Canadian judge doesn't think the case bears weight? Not quite sure how this is considered overreach. There's a reason that criminals fleeing to places without extradition treaties with the US is a…

Not an overreach but a testament to how strong US' global standing is. I bet only US could have pulled this off. No other country, despite what crimes Huawei conducted against them could have done this.

I believe even Lichtenstein could issue a red notice. Not sure it has much to do with the power of the US.

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Post by baybal2 »

tossaccount123 wrote: post #75
panarky wrote: post #4

These look like serious charges: Defrauding four large banks into clearing transactions with Iran in violation of international sanctions. Conspiracy to obstruct justice by moving employees out of the United States so they could not be called as witnesses before a grand jury in Brooklyn. Conspiracy to defraud the United States by impairing, impeding, obstructing and defeating, through deceitful and dishonest means, t…

>But if this is just a bargaining chip to be exchanged for a few worthless face-saving trade deal "wins" for this administration, it will be disgrace If letting one person off the hook can benefit all americans through better trade, how is that a disgrace? China has apparently offered to balance the trade deficit with the US within 6 years https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/china-is-... their economy…

> China has apparently offered to balance the trade deficit with the US within 6 years

They were promising the impossible. To fix US deficit, just stop printing money so much money, and shrink government expenses. How can China do that for US administration?

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Post by baybal2 »

Hongwei wrote: post #2

Speaking as a Canadian, this is already old news for us. There have been lively debates over on /r/canada, which went very one-sided (understandably) after China arrested two Canadians as leverage. [1] As someone who likes to follow geopolitics, I can't help but wonder if the timing of this extradition request was strategic. When Meng was arrested, Canada was in the middle of NAFTA/USMCA re-negotiations and our Prime…

> The automatic arrest of one of China's "royals" per our extradition treaty with the US was an extremely effective way of erasing our only major leverage on that negotiation.

That's not the only leverage, the other one is PM's extradition veto, which they seem to be so quiet about.

If I were the chairman, I would've jumped out of the bed to fly to Canada and propose a trade pact the very moment Trump threw a tantrum at Canada, and EU.

Sealing off US trade access to their two biggest trade allies, that's priceless. Xi's passive, paralysed by fear, stance from the start has doubled the damage China took.

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Post by dgzl »

ahelwer wrote: post #170
dgzl wrote: post #166

In a Data Structures class a few years ago, during a review for our upcoming exam, the professor had to abruptly leave the room... I forget why. While they were gone, a Chinese student runs up to the podium and grabs the papers the professor was reading from and takes it back to their large friend group. When the professor returned, they didn't have their notes (I think it was a previous year exam). Feeling uncomfort…

What the fuck is the relevance of this story? We're just sharing tales of Chinese people misbehaving now? People in here need to do some serious soul-searching about their attitude toward 1.3 billion people. The transparent racism that pops up on every thread about China stealing trade secrets is embarrassing.

Excuse me? I'm not being racist, the friend of mine in the story was also a Chinese guy. From what I understand, at my University there was a pretty strong culture among Chinese students to share code and homeworks. I even remember my old teacher telling me they caught a Chinese grad student who ran a business outsourcing undergrad CS homework to code-shops back in China. I don't see how this is racist, it's just observation.

I'm not sure how you're confused about relevance either.

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

whynotminot wrote: post #123
largehotcoffee wrote: post #110

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>Simply put, Huawei's products have better quality and companies in the US can't compete with it. >I'm now typing on a Huawei Matebook 13 and carrying a Huawei Mate 10 phone. Those things have amazing quality and it's a real pity customers can't have them in the States. You have an interesting post history supporting Huawei for an account only a month old...

This kind of thing is becoming really common lately. Not just Chinese companies doing this -- Qualcomm shills have been relentless whenever there's new press out regarding their legal battle with Apple, for example. I wonder if it's just part of the "package" when a company buys the services of a marketing or PR company these days. Maybe before it was just a few phone calls to some editors to get some puff pieces in…

I'm so sick of it. It just makes me want to stop using these portions of the internet completely. It is naive to think that companies aren't putting as much into social media manipulation campaigns as they do into advertising.

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Post by cauldron »

ezVoodoo wrote: post #168
educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

>independent innovation

As a Chinese, you may also know the inherent hatred and despisement towards "foreigners" mainly the "white skinned pigs", believing that the "foreigners" deserve anything done to them, it's just payback time for what they had done to the Qing dynasty otherwise China would have "still" been the greatest and most powerful country, right?

And the "No matter the cat black or white, it's a good cat if caught the rat" kind winner-take-all, by fair means or foul, mentality is never more prevalent in today's China?

>full 5G solution provider

This refrain again, you really should read less Chinese propaganda, Huawei has always been mainly an assembler and modifier like ZTE, just because they have that cellphone SoC which itself is not that advanced and original and handicapped on GPU, so magically Huawei is now a tech giant?

Tear down what ever Huawei product and especially tele equipment and see how many key parts are "innovated" by Huawei? And how many are from the "foreigners"?

Even that overblown SoC is cobbled together with all kinds of licensed IPs and algorithms from companies all over the world.

Such an innovative and successful marketing company.

Next time whitewashing China, do your homework first, your nonsense works wonderfully in China, but not anywhere else.

>think the US has much to be stolen by China, think twice.

Sounds just like straight from the CCTV with a gigantic complex.

Also have a look at China's latest invention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_new_inventions

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