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Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by andrew_ »

minimaxir wrote: post #42
andrew_ wrote: post #40

I've worked for many companies that don't pay out accrued PTO - PTO at those companies was use-it-or-lose-it. But I also understood that going in, and I understood that when I read the employee handbooks and explanation of benefits. It seems folks might have overlooked that bit of their employment. California is obviously a large exception. However, if an employer doesn't state that you get a particular benefit, or f…

One of the issues here is that PTO isn't always easy to use. > No one at BuzzFeed told me not to use PTO. I had a lot saved because I was busy and wanted to be there for my team. https://twitter.com/FranBerkman/status/1089675336407752704 > I have worked more holidays than I can count, and have gone on tough reporting trips where I’ve worked 16-hour days for days in a row. > I have about a month’s worth of comp days a…

Yes, that all boils down to accountability for one's own choices. They made poor choices, that's just what it is. Now they're clamoring for something that wasn't promised to them. There's a degree of responsibility that these folks are tossing out the window in favor of entitlement.

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by drivingmenuts »

lgleason wrote: post #18
pointillistic wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't think twice about some PC expose that ruins a person's life forever, same people will fight for a couple days vacation time... Before you down-vote, what am I missing?

To a certain degree, what goes around comes around. In general Buzzfeed is a purveyor of fake news so the silver lining is that it will develop a reputation as an employer.

Which parts of their news is fake? Aside from some recent claims by the current Presidency (who claims that about any non-positive reference), I’m unaware that they’ve invented anything, in part or in full, to claim it as news.

They may be annoying as all get-out in some aspects of their overall operation, but you’re claiming they make shit up?

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by djur »

pointillistic wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't think twice about some PC expose that ruins a person's life forever, same people will fight for a couple days vacation time... Before you down-vote, what am I missing?

Assuming that people know what "some PC expose that ruins a person's life forever" refers to.

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by badwolf »

thenanyu wrote: post #36
tzs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what am I missing? That this is about Buzzfeed News, a serious news site which has won serveral awards and honors for its reporting [1], not Buzzfeed, the listicle, pop culture, click-bait, gossip site [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed_News [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed

I've never found this argument convincing. "This is not the bad part of the organization. This is the part they spun up to help bolster their reputation so the bad part can continue to make money". That said, it's a bit tangential to the core issue here. People should get payed out for their accrued PTO.

The New York Times publishes gossip, entertainment, and crossword puzzles, as well as their news and in-depth reporting.

Buzzfeed publishes gossip, entertainment, and online quizzes, as well as their news and in-depth reporting.

That aside, they should get paid for their PTO.

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by fzeroracer »

andrew_ wrote: post #47
andrew_ wrote: post #40

I've worked for many companies that don't pay out accrued PTO - PTO at those companies was use-it-or-lose-it. But I also understood that going in, and I understood that when I read the employee handbooks and explanation of benefits. It seems folks might have overlooked that bit of their employment. California is obviously a large exception. However, if an employer doesn't state that you get a particular benefit, or f…

Ah, and here come the downvotes. Mention responsibility and entitlement, and get hammered here.

Please read up on the guidelines of HN. I really hate to backseat mod but I've seen a sharp rise in people complaining about their posts being downvoted and it adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by dang »

pointillistic wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't think twice about some PC expose that ruins a person's life forever, same people will fight for a couple days vacation time... Before you down-vote, what am I missing?

At a minimum, you're missing some of the site guidelines.

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

So could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not post like that to HN?

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by coderintherye »

adetrest wrote: post #45
zaroth wrote: post #2

There’s just one paragraph missing. If PTO isn’t paid out on termination, then PTO cannot be safely accrued. The undersigned should state that this behavior leaves them with no choice but to draw down their PTO balance, perhaps starting a specific day next week. But I wonder if the employees that weren’t in a state which requires paying out PTO balances had expected to be paid their PTO balance? Usually this is one o…

The US is just nuts. Are you saying that your earned but unused PTO doesn't have to be paid out to you when you're laid off but is rather at the discretion of the employer? How is that justifiable in any way? Does the bank owe you accrued interest when you close your account or is it up to them to pay it? Why would it be different for PTO?

It's state by state. New York allows it based on the contract. California is explicit that earned PTO must be paid.

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by andrew_ »

fzeroracer wrote: post #56
andrew_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, and here come the downvotes. Mention responsibility and entitlement, and get hammered here.

Please read up on the guidelines of HN. I really hate to backseat mod but I've seen a sharp rise in people complaining about their posts being downvoted and it adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

That might indicate that some additional measures could be used to encourage dissenting opinion without a comment being sent to the black pit of despair in quick fashion.

Re: We demand BuzzFeed pay out earned paid time off to its recent laid-off employees

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Post by golergka »

adetrest wrote: post #45
zaroth wrote: post #2

There’s just one paragraph missing. If PTO isn’t paid out on termination, then PTO cannot be safely accrued. The undersigned should state that this behavior leaves them with no choice but to draw down their PTO balance, perhaps starting a specific day next week. But I wonder if the employees that weren’t in a state which requires paying out PTO balances had expected to be paid their PTO balance? Usually this is one o…

The US is just nuts. Are you saying that your earned but unused PTO doesn't have to be paid out to you when you're laid off but is rather at the discretion of the employer? How is that justifiable in any way? Does the bank owe you accrued interest when you close your account or is it up to them to pay it? Why would it be different for PTO?

> How is that justifiable in any way?

My understanding is that it is stated in the contract.

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