H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colleges over American grads

> The labor market is global.

Not for all countries! Definitely an imbalance there, and US is already pretty generous with immigration numbers. We've also seen that cheap labor does not reduce cost of living in developed countries, so importing foreign cheap labor is a loss for not-rich folks.

(Jag tänka att du inte förstod min svar men jag ska skriver i engelska, så alla kan att läsa.)

>It is not really a specialist salary enforced in that law.

To which law do you refer? The minimum stated on the original page that I referred? You would be correct that it's not a specialist salary; however, to suggest that it simply does not exist would be fool-hearty. Migrationsverket has documentation specific to that[0].

>The required salary quota, which is 15.000 swedish krona per month, is less than half of an average developer salary.

An average developer's salary, where? I can tell you that the average developer's salary in Östergötland, for example, is far less than in other places in Europe.

>They dont really check each individual contract.

A "check" is vastly different that an approval, yeah? You could've easily found this information[1] yourself, as it's freely available on Migrationsverket's site.

[0] - https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/...

[1] - https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Other-operators-Engl...

i actually don’t think it’s ttue at all having worked at the hq and seeing people from ny and la and zurich offices. there really wasn’t any difference in value

Yeah like I mentioned, the argument about "best and brightest" isn't really a problem, it is a common point about H-1B but there is always a way in with the O (outstanding) visa.

H-1B is for the pretty good developer or when there are labor shortages of certain skills. There is a market need for it but it is also being abused to lower wages and own people undoubtedly.

I never said H-1B wasn't needed nor am I against immigration. But the argument that with less H-1Bs the best and brightest wouldn't get in is not correct. The O visa are always there for that and a separate line. The H-1B line is a line that is the pretty good and needed extra labor to fill shortages, but again, ripe for abuse. That is why it has quota to begin with, without quotas I have no doubt companies like Oracle would have large percentages of their workers if not all as H-1Bs.

Ultimately H-1B could be expanded and made easier even if companies didn't abuse it. One way to change this is allow H-1Bs to change companies, though I am sure this would be abused by middle man contracting companies as well. So ultimately a quota is the only failsafe for abuse. The problem isn't immigration/temporary workers, it is companies using it to lower wages and that harms all workers domestic and foreign and at a macro level our entire economy.

Side note your items some of them are merged full list (8 where 2-8 are pretty doable with 5-8 even more doable for the truly best and brightest):

> 1. Receipt of nationally or internationally recognized prizes or awards for excellence in the field of endeavor

> 2. Membership in associations in the field for which classification is sought which require outstanding achievements, as judged by recognized national or international experts in the field

> 3. Published material in professional or major trade publications, newspapers or other major media about the beneficiary and the beneficiary’s work in the field for which classification is sought

> 4. Original scientific, scholarly, or business-related contributions of major significance in the field

> 5. Authorship of scholarly articles in professional journals or other major media in the field for which classification is sought

> 6. A high salary or other remuneration for services as evidenced by contracts or other reliable evidence

> 7. Participation on a panel, or individually, as a judge of the work of others in the same or in a field of specialization allied to that field for which classification is sought

> 8. Employment in a critical or essential capacity for organizations and establishments that have a distinguished reputation

Duh! It is 1/3 the cost (bullshit aside) for someone from a culture of hunger, hard work, desperation, and oppression. That makes them easy to work very hard, unlikely for them to push back, and so they have superior output for 1/3 the price. There is no book-cooking megacorp in the US that doesn't prefer H1b to citizens with the same qualifications. Not one.

A "competitive" work schedule in China is 9-9-6, or 9am to 9pm for 6 days a week. That means "normal" is a 72 hour work-week plus commute. A 40-hour work week, is comparatively cake. The 72 hour work-week is 80% increase over a 40 hour work-week. The HR ghouls say imagine salaried employees being glad to work 80% more hours, including nights or weekend hours, for the same pay: amazing; sold!

The book-cooking for h1b is intense, but after talking personally with a dozen or so folks, they really do only take home about 1/3 to 1/2 what their peers do. There is bs about job duties, titles, responsibilities, but that is just folks trying to pay the lowest price for a commodity worker. I've seen several fortune 100 companies say they prefer "low cost geo's" as much as h1b so that gives a second population with similar pricing. It is open knowledge that engineers in Malaysia, India, or Costa Rica are paid 1/3 of US wages for what is, as far as HR can tell, the same job. They do the same job, and get a lot lower wages for it.

When someone was bullied as a child, they are easier to bully as an adult. Stupid/evil/inept bosses love employees who they can abuse without pushback. Folks from cultures of oppression aren't going to report safety issues to safety folks. They aren't going to report managerial violations to those who police managers. They are non-reporting victims. The HR ghouls see them as "don't make waves" or "get along" and the hiring managers see them as "easy prey". In grad school there were prof's who wouldn't let overseas grad students get even a short break to attend their own mothers funeral, and those guys got away with it. That is "liberal academia" and not the underbelly of corporate/industrial America. Think about what that means for bully-bosses in the workplace.

It isn't going to change unless the value of the commodity can be forced into a competitive market, where the price will go toward actual parity, and the rate of preference will go to parity with citizens. Until that, h1b is the lottery where the only way to lose is not to play.

There is one and only one solution, and it is a lottery. If it becomes an auction, then the h1b prices will double or triple - that is to day they will go up to parity for US wages for the same job.