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Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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I'm wondering if it's worth uninstalling Office and reinstalling. If it uses the App Store update mechanism instead of Microsoft Autoupdate I would prefer it. Autoupdate presents a window almost every time a launch an Office application.

I just did that. Luckily I installed Office with Homebrew Cask, so removing was just brew cask uninstall microsoft-office away. For me the app store version has many benefits: - Microsoft sneaked OneDrive into the Office installer. I do not want OneDrive on my system - All the applications are sandboxed per app store requirements. - Indeed no more pesky Microsoft Autoupdate.

You can choose which applications to install with the MS installer. For example I didn't have Outlook or OneDrive installed.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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Office was available for Mac for many years. The news here is that Office is now in the Mac App Store, not that big of a news. Anyhow, worth noting that the Mac versions of Office are no near to the Windows versions. They are thin clients with only a portion of the win capabilities, and those which exists are buggy, to say the least. If I had a Mac, I would go to G Suite, which gives better capabilities for 99.9% of…

Upon reading your comment I was curious why it was so downvoted. So many reasons.. for me it was the bit about Office on Mac being a “thin client”. Dude. No.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

#113
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Desktop Office. Microsoft has been offering a "real office" on Mac for many, many years now. The news is not that Office is on Mac, it's that it is distributed through the App Store.

I knew they've had full Office since forever. I just didn't know if the App Store version itself was full Office or a mobile/web Office like on the iOS App Store.

I wouldn't say "full office". I use Office on Mac and it's clearly not as configurable or polished as Windows :(

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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Are you saying you can buy $100 iTunes gift cards for $85 dollars? That's kinda sketchy....

There are a lot of deals like that from time to time and it's not sketchy. https://www.imore.com/thrifter-deal-score-50-itunes-gift-car...

Thanks, i had no idea.

I assumed this was similar to Amazon cards in the UK ie a great way to quickly move money off a stolen credit card with only a 20-30% laundering cost.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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How many licenses of GSuite to you maintain? One license, $5 / month. Seems reasonable. I have six family members. $360 / year for GSuite, that's untenable to me.

I paid $400+ a year for personal accounts since GSuite went premium. I just switched over to another provider because I reached a tipping point of not being able to tolerate GSuite support - it is horrible. horrible. horrible. horrible. Took 1+ and 3+ weeks to resolve the only two minor issues we've ever had. Support replies were a series of unrelated prefilled replies, it seems whoever is on the other end is just ke…

Have you checked out Fastmail? Whilst I use and pay for Office 365 for business, my personal email is on Fastmail (migrated from Gmail after a decade with them) and very happy with it.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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There are other aspects to Office 365 that are quite valuable to people, like a huge increase in the size of their OneDrive storage quotas, the ability to install Office on multiple devices rather than just one (which is pretty common; people install Office apps connected to their 365 accounts on their mobiles, tablets, etc.), Skype airtime, technical support beyond the first 60 days of purchase, and with certain pla…

Well, maybe two different things have gotten conflated here. What I'm calling ridiculous is the fact that Microsoft is charging a subscription for Office. The flexibility to install on multiple devices is something that shouldn't be tied to a subscription license in the first place. And neither is more OneDrive space (why you'd want OneDrive space in the first place is a separate issue) or Skype airtime. It also does…

Firstly, Office 365 is not just offline apps. It’s software as a service; it’s a suite of high-quality online tools that rapidly approach parity with their product to flint counterparts, it’s being able to install multiple copies of Office in multiple devices without needing to purchase more product keys; it’s about being able to use the mobile apps without paying for those separately (which people just won’t); it’s about reducing piracy for MS by allowing organisations and educational instituons to provide Office 365 to employees and students; there are so many advantages to Microsoft and consumers.

I am not “rushing” to defend anything, merely pointing out the benefits. What you call a step back, others call a blessing. I genuinely prefer to pay a relatively low fee for access to essential data in the cloud and the high-quality tools that I can access anywhere to work with my documents, collaborate, and even automate with online add-ons. All without worrying about what platform I’m using (desktop, mobile, web, Windows, macOS, Linux), licence keys (which demonstrably don’t work; Genuine Office got cracked every five minutes, and piracy was rampant).

I find your apparent incredulity at other people’s potential desire for certain aspects of a product(S) or service(s) is symptomatic of a refusal to even attempt to understand other people’s priorities when it comes to technology, something I’ve written about at length on HN before. Don’t write off my input just because your priorities don’t match mine or others, dismissively calling my five cents but a “rush”.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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You can disable autoupdate and manually check for updates occasionally. Also, any time an application is available from both inside and outside the App Store I always prefer the outside one. The sandboxing that the App Store imposes is a massive pain. There's also no reason in my mind that Apple deserves a fat slice of my license payment.

Who ever manually checks for updates on the 20+ apps they have installed?

Who doesn't?! Don't you feel a bit ... dirty?

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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The million (10 million? 100 Million) dollar question that I haven't seen addressed yet (but I'm sure will be, if it hasn't already) - is what % cut Apple is getting from the subscription revenue.

On this note, Apple's 30% flat tax is a poor decision. I wonder how much of a hit Apple would take if the first $5000 per year per app was rebated. There's a long tail of mild-moderately successful apps that provide value to some, but may not be economic to continue. With this system, devs could re-invest ~50% more funds into their early-stage product if they could. It may pay for itself in future success and better…

If you include all the factors like market share, cost of hardware, flat tax, ecosystem tie-in, development costs, then it becomes doubtful whether it makes sense to support MacOS anyway. I'm pretty certain that for most smaller companies MacOS support is a money sink and they just don't calculate the development costs correctly or they want to support the platform for strategical or ideological reasons.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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I automatically prefer the App Store one because: - I know it will be updated automatically - Sandboxing prevents many dark patterns that apps use to sell advertisers data

Funny you should mention updates. The problem is when the developer wants to keep adding features and release a paid upgrade to make that possible. If you bought through the app store, you're going to have to buy the new version all over again, because there's no way for the developer to offer an upgrade discount. As for sandboxing, yes it does prevent unscrupulous apps from doing shady things, but it also prevents a…

Not really relevant in the context of Office 365, or other applications that follow the same subscription model
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