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Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by alias_neo »

erinnh wrote: post #105
alias_neo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. They want to make life hard for Britain so others that have been considering leaving, think again.

What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

I'm honestly not sure, but the problem is compounded by a government that hasn't got the skills to negotiate the right deal, May's deal does not suit us, and ~50% of us didn't want to leave in the first place.

I voted for remain, I've never sides with a need to divide and build "walls". I have my opinion on the kind of people that voted to leave, but I'm a filthy millennial, so what do I know.

I should shut up and do what I'm told by the boomers and the Xers before they pop it and leave this mess to me and my children.

A lot of them have complaints about what EU is doing to this country with its laws etc, but the unveiling to listen when I tell them about the laws EU has passed that have been good for us, even protected is as a people from our own government.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by alias_neo »

bkor wrote: post #86
alias_neo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. They want to make life hard for Britain so others that have been considering leaving, think again.

> That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. The biggest cause is that EU with 500 representing million people has a way better negotiating position. Further, UK really needs to have a deal or they'll be really bad off. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiat... . UK has almost no leverage, EU does. In a negotiation you're not entitled to…

The Ireland problem is certainly an issue, our government also doesn't seem to be aiming for a deal that suits many of us.

I'm a European, British born and bread and the Union is a good thing.

I'm angry that the vote went the way it did, because my generation and our children will be picking up this mess.

But I don't blame the British people, I blame our government for not educating us on what the vote meant, what the consequences were, and less forgivable, for using FUD and propoganda to sway the vote in favour of leaving.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by Piskvorrr »

growlist wrote: post #54
alias_neo wrote: post #45

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You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. It may be that the news is following a certain rhetoric, but, it seems clear that the likes of Merkel intend to do this, she's all but said as much. My point here is that when one person is telling you they want to do harm, people will ta…

I wonder whether any other trading union in the world would act in such a tyrannical way should one of its members decide it's had enough. Hell hath no fury like the EU spurned. Reminds me of the Soviet union: 'our socialist utopia is so fantastic that we have to shoot anyone that tries to leave'.

Really? EU offered deal, British parliament rejected it, on A50 timeout the UK will drop out, as it is apparently trying to. If that is your idea of shooting the leavers...well...I don't think it means what you think it means.

In all, I'm growing increasingly convinced this is a Monty Python sketch: "We want out!" "Ok." "Help, help, we're being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!!!"

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by erinnh »

alias_neo wrote: post #111
erinnh wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

I'm honestly not sure, but the problem is compounded by a government that hasn't got the skills to negotiate the right deal, May's deal does not suit us, and ~50% of us didn't want to leave in the first place. I voted for remain, I've never sides with a need to divide and build "walls". I have my opinion on the kind of people that voted to leave, but I'm a filthy millennial, so what do I know. I should shut up and do…

I understand you are frustrated, but I just dont understand the opinion that says that the EU is somehow punishing or making it hard for the UK during Brexit. I would really want to know what you would expect.

Generally if you(as a country) decide to leave a club, you cannot keep drinking the mojitos that are available inside.

There are a lot of things that came through EU membership to the UK, but these things cannot stay if the UK does not want to be inside the EU. The only way to keep some of the benefits is to negotiate with the EU. And some benefits are just not able to be separated from others. Like freedom of movement with the single market.

Im interested in seeing what the UK decides to do in the next two months. What kind of consensus between the MPs is going to be found? (or maybe none at all?)

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by Piskvorrr »

scaryclam wrote: post #25
matthewmacleod wrote: post #10

Honestly my bigger concern is what AWS is going to call eu-west-2 now… It should generally have been expected that this would happen in line with the rules. Bit silly, but there we go. Proxy registrants are available.

The eu part of the aws naming means Europe, not the European union.

Sure. Isn't this datacenter in London, though? Privacy and data retention and whatnot...FWIW, there seem to be some anecdota of data migrations to Ireland and Frankfurt, everywhere I bring this question up (except for some British companies moving their data the opposite way).

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by Piskvorrr »

robertony wrote: post #108
bkor wrote: post #107

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I've said that some things are done on EU level, which does not need to be repeated across the various countries within the EU. Netherlands is part of the EU, it doesn't need to repeat those things. According to http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/myths/myths_en.cfm , the admin overhead for the budget is about 6%. Amount of people for admin is about 70k. That's nothing if you compare it to any big city, let alone to…

> I've said that some things are done on EU level, which does not need to be repeated across the various countries within the EU. The examples provided on your link are Galileo, business investment and huamnitarian crises, terrorism and security threats. To be honest, these aren't very good examples from my understanding. With Galileo, I'm not sure why leaving it to the ESA exclusively instead of this shared setup wi…

"Regarding threats, Western Europe gave a lot of promises and love to Czechoslovakia, annoyed the German Reich which now occupies a third of the country." No historical parallel there, noooosir.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by Piskvorrr »

benj111 wrote: post #83
midasz wrote: post #63

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Not really. Trade agreements were also made when the UK was in the EU. It doesn't make sense to let them run their course either? Why so lenient? Choosing to leave a club that allows for certain things is ok, but it's inane to be outraged about not keeping those things when you leave.

My passport says European Union on it, does that suddenly become invalid? I don't expect to be able to get a passport with EU on it for ever, I expect to able to carry on using the one I already have though. I'm sure there are many contracts negotiated between British and EU organisations, under EU law. Should those contracts be ripped up? Renegotiated under British law? That loan that a German company took out from…

"We don't want member duties, we want out out out!" "Ok, here's a deal that still leaves you limited rights similar to membership ones, for far fewer duties." "We're not your colony, out out out!" "Sure, we can start from scratch, but you won't get any special treatment meanwhile." "What, no favors? Why this petty tit for tat?"

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by alias_neo »

erinnh wrote: post #114
alias_neo wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly not sure, but the problem is compounded by a government that hasn't got the skills to negotiate the right deal, May's deal does not suit us, and ~50% of us didn't want to leave in the first place. I voted for remain, I've never sides with a need to divide and build "walls". I have my opinion on the kind of people that voted to leave, but I'm a filthy millennial, so what do I know. I should shut up and do…

I understand you are frustrated, but I just dont understand the opinion that says that the EU is somehow punishing or making it hard for the UK during Brexit. I would really want to know what you would expect. Generally if you(as a country) decide to leave a club, you cannot keep drinking the mojitos that are available inside. There are a lot of things that came through EU membership to the UK, but these things canno…

It's just how I understand what I've been "told". From the news we get, were made to believe that certain EU states are being "hard", harder than necessary for these negotiations. Or at least that was the case a year or two ago, I've lost track of how long this debacle had been ongoing. It doesn't help that we have a government that is incapable of negotiating their way out of a paper bag.

My frustrations are very little about other EU states, who I don't blame, but since our government doesn't have our best interests at heart, it'd be nice if they remembered that 50% of us didn't agree on a vote 0% of us called for in the first place.

I can't see our MPs coming to an agreement, they're divided, they want May out, but there is no suitable replacement. Corbyn couldn't do a better job, his heart is in the right place but he's equally incapable of sorting this out.

At this point I'm jaded by the whole thing and I see no positive outcome, every day we read about major business leeching the country, that's jobs and money leaving with them, and frankly, I don't believe 2019 Britian has a lot to offer in trade.

Next our NHS will be privatised, and the best thing we'll have to offer is our lovely weather.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by benj111 »

Piskvorrr wrote: post #117
benj111 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My passport says European Union on it, does that suddenly become invalid? I don't expect to be able to get a passport with EU on it for ever, I expect to able to carry on using the one I already have though. I'm sure there are many contracts negotiated between British and EU organisations, under EU law. Should those contracts be ripped up? Renegotiated under British law? That loan that a German company took out from…

"We don't want member duties, we want out out out!" "Ok, here's a deal that still leaves you limited rights similar to membership ones, for far fewer duties." "We're not your colony, out out out!" "Sure, we can start from scratch, but you won't get any special treatment meanwhile." "What, no favors? Why this petty tit for tat?"

Nearly half the UK population voted to remain. Its quite possible for the 52% to have a view (however incoherent), and I and the other 48% to have a differing view.

If you want to claim that the UK and the EU won't be worse off if we get in to a petty tit for tat, then fine, we can have that discussion.

Please don't start adding my comments into quotes I disagree with, and views I don't hold.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by int_19h »

jobigoud wrote: post #11

Weird considering domains in .su (soviet union) are still around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su

ICANN wanted to withdraw that, but Russia asked to keep it.

This case is different, because it's not about whether .eu should exist, or who controls it - that part is not under dispute. It's about the owners of .eu deciding who can own subdomains in it.

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