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Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by midasz »

alias_neo wrote: post #78
bkor wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. If a member leaves the EU they're not getting the benefits anymore of being part of the EU. It's mainly the UK who has no idea at all at what they want. Various statements made by the EU 2 years ago still hold true. If you read UK press…

The issue, I think, irrespective of the press, is that May is not fit to negotiate a suitable deal, the people want a people's vote, because there is currently no suitable replacement.

What kind of person would be more suited to negotiate a deal? And what did the people vote for? Wasn't it just "Remain" or "Leave"? There was zero intellectual thought put into any of this. It's on the UK that this realization comes when it's inconvenient.

Would the EU bend the rules if a different person was at the table? Or would they simply say the same? There is no incentive for the EU to give back / bend their rules. I don't know why people expected that.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by elp »

stunt wrote: post #36

This news is written in a really weird way, and I can't believe that it is not intentional. Of course, if the commission is going to do it, it will explain why it is required, what it is going to happen, and how is it going to happen and they will make sure nobody is harmed because of this transition. Don't be naive!

This is most definitely not official. Until the Brexit Deal/No Deal/2nd referendum/whatever_this_week gets finalized no one is in a position to make this kind of judgement call.

I also wonder how this is going to play out with the GDPR -- "We can't tell you who has eu domains in the UK because it would violate privacy laws but we are sure we have deleted them"?

EURid stands to lose a fortune and the .EU domain would become pretty toxic after this so I can see some very motivated people taking every step they can to avoid this.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by anfilt »

midasz wrote: post #99
anfilt wrote: post #12

Pretty petty if you ask me. ICANN generally lets things be grandfathered in. However, it is a country code domain so they can administer it how they want.

> Pretty petty if you ask me. ICANN generally lets things be grandfathered in. EU membership is not a phone subscription.

Never said it was. I just was saying it's quite different from ICANN policy and plus there are old defunct country code domains which still have domain records even though you can't make new domains records.

It just breaks things like E-Mail, and cause problems such as making phishing more believable since the cTLD is still active. Plus numerous other things. It would have made more sense to block new registration, but it's a cTLD so not entirely governed by ICANN.

Plus I mean petty as in such a small thing to worry about. People who are not in the EU already can use an intermediary. So what's the point of breaking a bunch stuff?

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by anfilt »

benmmurphy wrote: post #72
anfilt wrote: post #12

Pretty petty if you ask me. ICANN generally lets things be grandfathered in. However, it is a country code domain so they can administer it how they want.

I assume the internet traditionally lets domains be grandfathered in because it doesn't just 'break' the domain it also 'breaks' all the links to the domains that are no longer eligible. Internet people don't like breaking the hypertext :)

Agreed which is why it's an interesting choice.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by erinnh »

alias_neo wrote: post #81
erinnh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it more as "UK is leaving the EU, so they're losing all their benefits, unless specifically negotiated for".

That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. They want to make life hard for Britain so others that have been considering leaving, think again.

What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by idrae »

pmden wrote: post #79
afandian wrote: post #53

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The UK's conduct has been appalling. I am deeply ashamed about how my government has conducted itself, and represented the people of the UK. I think the EU's response has been restrained if anything.

I'm not entirely surprised you'd feel that way - the British seem to be uniquely self-flagellating on topics of nation and state. But I'm not sure how you can support the European Union actively punishing the _people and businesses_ of the United Kingdom in response to the 'conduct' of the _government_ of the United Kingdom, when you think said government hasn't provided proper representation for their people. Whethe…

Of course you can support punishing the people and business of the United Kingdom. The government is not a separate entity, it represent the people and businesses of the UK and acts on their behalf. Whether the government properly represents its people is not for the EU to concern itself with, that is a matter between the people and the government.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by bkor »

robertony wrote: post #94
bkor wrote: post #91

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> bureaucracy of the EU The EU is actually quite efficient with its money considering all the things it does. Probably because loads of things are done centrally instead of repeated across 27 countries. This despite the stupid continuous moving between Brussels and Strasbourg.

Can you please provide sources for how EU centeralized government is more efficient with it's money than decenteralized systems used in places like the Netherlands and the UK?

I've said that some things are done on EU level, which does not need to be repeated across the various countries within the EU. Netherlands is part of the EU, it doesn't need to repeat those things.

According to http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/myths/myths_en.cfm, the admin overhead for the budget is about 6%. Amount of people for admin is about 70k. That's nothing if you compare it to any big city, let alone to a country.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by robertony »

bkor wrote: post #107
robertony wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please provide sources for how EU centeralized government is more efficient with it's money than decenteralized systems used in places like the Netherlands and the UK?

I've said that some things are done on EU level, which does not need to be repeated across the various countries within the EU. Netherlands is part of the EU, it doesn't need to repeat those things. According to http://ec.europa.eu/budget/explained/myths/myths_en.cfm , the admin overhead for the budget is about 6%. Amount of people for admin is about 70k. That's nothing if you compare it to any big city, let alone to…

> I've said that some things are done on EU level, which does not need to be repeated across the various countries within the EU.

The examples provided on your link are Galileo, business investment and huamnitarian crises, terrorism and security threats. To be honest, these aren't very good examples from my understanding.

With Galileo, I'm not sure why leaving it to the ESA exclusively instead of this shared setup with the EU is better or more 'efficient'.

For business investments, the EU has caused some of the very problems they are "investing in", including making farmers and fisheries dependent on grants to operate or just go out of business. The imposed VAT rates and conditions cause less spending that lead to very situations that require this to start up in such an environment. With more self autonomy, governments could look to more effectively focus on industries that are more effective for their geography and avoid much of the red tape that prevents these industries from being viable. This does not seem efficient to me.

EU's recent history on humantarian, crises and threats has shown it is lacking significantly.

Let's take Greece for example, if Greece were operating independently, it would have been allowed to withdraw from the Euro (which it was prevented from doing so), moving to it's own currency and then devalue it's currency over the period of some years which would increase external investment into the country, floating the country's economy and returning it's economy to normality, not unlike other countries that suffered a financial crisis not too long ago, such as Iceland. Instead, they are just funding Greece with no working plan for recovery, while driving other countries into debt to support it. This does not seem efficient to me.

The EU completely failed to manage and appropriately deal with the refugee crisis and economic migrant crisis on the EU level despite it being there. It was a significant waste of money and then, to further the pain, it tried to take the work off it self by paying Turkey to deal with it; which is now blackmailing the EU into providing further funds. This is not efficient and I think the ECHR should really get more involved in this matter.

Regarding threats, the EU gave a lot of promises and love to Ukraine, annoyed the Russian bear which now occupies half the country.

> the admin overhead for the budget is about 6%

I'm not seeing the value in return, sorry.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by robertony »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #97
robertony wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And it is right to be, particularly in the case human rights. The European Convention on Human Rights is not an EU institution. The EU has had problems causing conflict with it, such as with the European Arrest Warrant. > When the stability of the Euro has been at stake, rules always take second-place. And when the Euro isn't at stake either, after all, they integrated Greece when it failed the checks and balances,…

Ignoring for the moment the insanity of Brexit in the first place, I'm particularly unimpressed that it also includes leaving ECHR. That was never mentioned until much later as the "hard Brexit" madness got going. The Tories must have forgot it was their beloved Churchill who was a huge advocate for its creation and promoted it from the end of the war and through the 48 Congress of Europe. Atlee's Labour was against…

I have to agree with your sentiment here. A vote to leave the EU didn't mean leave the ECHR.

To add to your point further, the Good Friday agreement (which brought some peace in Northern Ireland) actually is supposed to bind the UK to the ECHR.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by Piskvorrr »

erinnh wrote: post #105
alias_neo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what it should be, but it seems the EU are intentionally being difficult in negotiations. They want to make life hard for Britain so others that have been considering leaving, think again.

What would you consider "not making it difficult"?

Full membership rights, with zero membership duties, it seems; and the right to reenter and reexit any damn number of times. Anything less is "punishing the UK". HMG seems to be under the impression that the whole thing is some kind of cat door.
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