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Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by sdinsn »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #78
sdinsn wrote: post #43

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Is English not your first language? Titles are supposed to be capitalized

This is a headline, not a proper noun. Regardless of 'supposed to', it shouldn't be capitalized. There is no advantage to capitalizing, it, but it does lead to confusion.

> Regardless of 'supposed to', it shouldn't be capitalized

That's not really how language rules work. I agree that it's confusing, but we have more confusing things in the English language that we aren't going to change either.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by gbrown »

kentosi wrote: post #147
gbrown wrote: post #53

All the black-bean and beet burgers in town have been replaced by these things. Sometimes I feel like the only vegetarian who hates fake meat and wants recognizeable veggie products. Fake meat creeps me out.

It might be a far stretch to say that they've been "replaced". At least in my area the traditional vegetarian options are still there alongside these newer items. It's not to your taste, which is fine. There are meat-eaters that don't like seafood. Let's just be happy that there is now an ever-growing choice in the plant-based section of the supermarket.

Three of the restaurants I most frequently went to have switched away. There are still other places with black bean burgers, but it feels like replacement given my restaurant preferences.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by spraak »

ziont wrote: post #163
spraak wrote: post #139

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Sometimes it won't have the same taste, texture and nutrition [1] - but it's still worth switching. [1] one for one (cow burger vs plant burger) that is. Plant based diets can absolutely have the same net nutrition as a diet with animal products.

if it's not 1:1 to meat then forgettaboutit guess im eating steak tonite

Are you being sarcastic?

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by hexane360 »

dilap wrote: post #155
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #103

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Maybe it would be better to say "cows would eat grass" but unfortunately >90% of beef comes from cows who don't, and are raised on feed[1]. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2016/01/29/the-gras...

I think it'd probably be good to stop feeding grain to cows, but even "grain-fed" cows eat grass (or hay) most of their lives -- it's at the end when they're sent to the feed lots to fatten them up that they eat grain.

"you don't need to grow vast quantities of grain to raise cows, just to increase their biomass enough to feed large quantities of people"

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by hexane360 »

cageface wrote: post #113
dilap wrote: post #90

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Cows eat grass, which is just out there, growing naturally. Those aren't calories humans could be consuming; we don't have the right kind of stomaches. You can view a cow as machine for extracting the nutrients in grass into a dense, human-digestible form. Pretty cool. I'm also not sure your "modern agriculture" point stands -- are industrial farming methods sustainable over the long scale? Think about America pre-co…

Think about America pre-colonization: a continent filled with ruminants happily munching away, being hunted at sustainable levels. To my mind that is peak sustainability and environmental friendliness. That's with a population of on the order of 10 million for the entire continent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigeno... Naturally grazing cows wouldn't even come close to sustaining the current…

Not to mention that that 10 million count includes many tribes/societies based around fishing, and an entire civilization based around farming sustainably:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sisters_(agriculture)

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by bb88 »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #102
greglindahl wrote: post #98

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Most of the places I know of selling Impossible Burgers used to sell a veggie burger. Looks like an incremental improvement to me.

In San Francisco the Impossible Burger is being sold at places that did not sell veggie burgers (e.g. Gott's at the Ferry Building). I generally don't like veggies pretending to be meat, and I definitely don't want my veggies to bleed, but I did like the texture of the thing. Unfortunately it really only works with a ton of seasoning to mask the catfood taste.

I'd be interested if you'd be willing to do a blind taste test between just a plain patty from McD's, BK, Shake Shack, and Impossible. Because this has not been my experience at all.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by listenallyall »

slededit wrote: post #164
listenallyall wrote: post #63

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Not being able to "parse" the above comment is on you, not its author. When else have you heard the goings-on at Maple Leaf Meat Co? That's right, never. Further, in what other context has someone expressed "very encouraging" (the grandparent) about a meat producer? Exceptionally rare, the only news meat producers make is as the cause of some environmental, labor, or health disaster. Look, they don't care much about…

> Look, they don't care much about PR among consumers, they don't sell to them. Actually they do - directly in the grocery store there is Maple Leaf branded meat. Further they have PR commercials on all the time about how happy and healthy the farms are. Your analysis is flat out wrong.

> flat out wrong

I'll bet that felt good to say.

If anything, the fact that Maple Leaf is a consumer brand (unlike US giants Cargill, National Beef, JBS) amplifies my point -- the positive PR can help position the company as an environmentally-conscious market leader in the minds of wholesale buyers AND individual consumers.

Since the original post, Maple Leaf's announcement was covered by publications such as Food & Drink International, GlobalMeatNews.com, FoodBev.com, Agribusiness Intelligence, just-food.com (these are the top results of a Google search of "maple leaf plant burger") -- in other words, trade publications, the exact types of industry news outlets I described. Or maybe you'll tell me I'm wrong again because you regularly peruse the pages of Global Meat News.

I don't see how your fact-check contradicts any substantial part of my post. Meat producers don't normally make news unless it is highly negative. The announcement signaled to purchasers -- wholesale or consumer -- that Maple Leaf can continue to be their preferred, single source of meat, and now, meat-ish products like a veggie burger.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by dominotw »

bdamm wrote: post #48
dominotw wrote: post #27

> meant to be more like beef I hate tastes like X concept. I don't care if doesn't taste like beef, it never works, our brain is way too smart to fall for this kind gimmicks. Surprise me with new products, tell me whats in it straight up. I really hope this "tastes like meat" trend dies.

"Uncanny valley" is the effect at work, likely. But about your point on the brain not falling for it... there is evidence that it can be done for foods. Just take a look at how many drinks and sweets contain artificial flavors.

> Just take a look at how many drinks and sweets contain artificial flavors.

Because most ppl have no idea of how any of those things actually taste. Its so easy to tell when flavor is artificial.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by easytiger »

bildung wrote: post #161
easytiger wrote: post #143

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I see you didn't actually read the comment.

Fertilization > fertilizer. What I meant were practices like e.g. planting mustard and plowing it under between seasons.

Yes, that's going to feed 9 billion people!

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Post by bildung »

easytiger wrote: post #179
bildung wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fertilization > fertilizer. What I meant were practices like e.g. planting mustard and plowing it under between seasons.

Yes, that's going to feed 9 billion people!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts#Logical_f...
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