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I think you missed that plant-based fertilization exists. How do you think the nitrogen, sulfur and phosphor got into the animals in the first place? Manure is used because it is readily available due to current livestock production, not because it's the only way to fertilize soil.
I see you didn't actually read the comment.
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Think about America pre-colonization: a continent filled with ruminants happily munching away, being hunted at sustainable levels. To my mind that is peak sustainability and environmental friendliness. That's with a population of on the order of 10 million for the entire continent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigeno... Naturally grazing cows wouldn't even come close to sustaining the current…
That's fair, but still, my point is raising beef is not intrinsically unsustainable and destructive. Though I agree, it's probably not a reasonable primary food for most people at current population levels.
when i saw animals being mistreated it made me feel sick for eating meat. if this alternative has all of the same nutrition and taste and texture as real meat then i am switching
Sometimes it won't have the same taste, texture and nutrition [1] - but it's still worth switching. [1] one for one (cow burger vs plant burger) that is. Plant based diets can absolutely have the same net nutrition as a diet with animal products.
guess im eating steak tonite
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First, the people most likely to buy meatless products weren’t part of their existing customer base, so there is no cannibalization. I'd like to suggest that the term "cannibalization" should be used gently when applied to a meat company. [ I would also like to take a look at your comment in terms of assertions because I'm having a hard time parsing it. - People who want meatless products aren't buying meat so they'r…
Not being able to "parse" the above comment is on you, not its author. When else have you heard the goings-on at Maple Leaf Meat Co? That's right, never. Further, in what other context has someone expressed "very encouraging" (the grandparent) about a meat producer? Exceptionally rare, the only news meat producers make is as the cause of some environmental, labor, or health disaster. Look, they don't care much about…
Actually they do - directly in the grocery store there is Maple Leaf branded meat.
Further they have PR commercials on all the time about how happy and healthy the farms are.
Your analysis is flat out wrong.
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> I would love to see something, anything that validates that claim as it is wildly at odds with everything I have seen. This article talks about and links to a paper discussing: https://qz.com/1131428/if-the-entire-us-went-vegan-itd-be-a-... Their estimate was a 2.6% reduction. > You made a typo, you meant increased. I was thinking of beef consumption. Of course, consumption of poultry has increased. Which is suppos…
Interesting your first article also links to studies estimating much more CO2 stems from animal agriculture. The article's premise that a vegan switch would be catastrophic for nutrition seems to assume we'll not change crops grown. Nor even reduce amount grown despite now having an additional 23% food surplus in mainly corn and soy. Then estimate 2.6% on those assumptions in their model. Those are some very strange…
You people not in Canada, Canada has a new food guide: https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ It encourages people to eat minimal amount of meat and dairy products. Change is coming and it's good they are embracing it.
I don't see anywhere that it recommends eating "minimal amount of meat and dairy products". In fact, if you click on the "eat protein foods" part, it specifically recommends lean beef, pork, and poultry as well as milk and yogurt.
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Very encouraging news for our environment to see a meat producer actively debut a non-meat product that will actively take away from meat sales. Reminds me of Kodak. Where Kodak did not embrace digital early enough, and then many years later was bankrupt. I think that’s a fanciful comparison. More likely they worked the numbers and realize two things. First, the people most likely to buy meatless products weren’t par…
I think it’s best to leave cannibalisation out of this discussion. Seriously, an unfortunate homonym (is it really a homonym? Kinda).
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Interesting your first article also links to studies estimating much more CO2 stems from animal agriculture. The article's premise that a vegan switch would be catastrophic for nutrition seems to assume we'll not change crops grown. Nor even reduce amount grown despite now having an additional 23% food surplus in mainly corn and soy. Then estimate 2.6% on those assumptions in their model. Those are some very strange…
Those are a lot of assumptions you're making. Why don't you link to something that you've based what you're saying on. I have provided some justification for everything I've said and you're just blustering on.
While interesting, that would not happen for long in the real world or prices would fall and farmers go bankrupt. Or perhaps a new export opportunity and some farmers elsewhere would go under.
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Cows eat grass which grows on land which used to have rainforest on it but which has been cleared, wiping out thousands of species, to make more cows. (Okay not all cows, but rainforest clearance for pastureland is a big problem where there are or used to be rainforests). Cows also produce a massive amount of methane, which is a potent greenhouse gas, and they're not very efficient converters of plants into grass. It…
Yes, it's bad to cut down rainforests to raise beef, just like it's bad to cut down rainforests to make palm oil. That's not really a knock against raising cows in natural grassland, though. Re GHGs, you have to weigh the methane against the carbon sequestration the cows promote. These guys are working with local (to me) farms to study and enhance that: https://www.marincarbonproject.org/about It also just doesn't se…
We've killed most of the sizable animals on the planet. We really absolutely have. No question. Passenger pigeon flocks, billions of fish, vast populations of whales and bison and all the major megafauna we wiped out.
That's a holocaust of farting biomass. Complete slaughter. There's no way that our beef herds offset the megafauna that were here before the landbridge migration to North America when it comes to methane.
I haven't heard something genuinely new in this debate for a long time. Thank you.
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Is English not your first language? Titles are supposed to be capitalized
Canadian English is not my first language! "Meat", "Giant", "Maple" and "Leaf" can all be nouns, and some of them can be adjectives. With everything in that sentence being flexible words, and "maple leaf" not standing out, you can't parse that sentence in order. Canadian - I'm with you Meat - Ok, Canadian meat! Giant - I'm not sure here, is Giant a kind of Canadian meat? Maple - huh... ? Leaf - I'm really getting los…