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Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by mosselman »

philliphaydon wrote: post #139
ryanlol wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This sentence from the same person who just used the phrase "classist as fuck"!? There's nothing classist about acknowledging the fact that poor and rich people often shop in different stores.

Wrong. Rich people don’t shop. They aren’t even aware of how their fridge gets stocked. They got too many helpers! Those helpers shop at the same stores us regular folks shop at! (But seriously, is there really such stories that exist as poor/rich or are these just the same stores in different areas?)

> (But seriously, is there really such stories that exist as poor/rich or are these just the same stores in different areas?)

I wouldn't say poor vs rich stores, but there are supermarkets which compete on pricing and others that compete on 'experience'. The first would have low prices, put out produce in the boxes it came in, employ less workers, etc (ALDI where I am from) and the latter will focus on all the food looking pretty, have nice looking displays, have people in the store making sushi, etc (AH where I am from). Where I live there is a shopping center with 1 of each of these types of stores in it. So no, it is not a matter of geography.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by yitchelle »

Can't help think that we are conditioned to think that ugly food is bad food. The kids in my circle of friends, mine included, would not touch a banana that has black spots on it or if the broccoli looks slightly off colour. Usually they would grow out of this type of bias, but judging from the observations of the general public, I am not so sure any more.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by skookumchuck »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #120
skookumchuck wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The food shall be cooked and served, served if ready to eat, or discarded within 4 hours from the point in time when the food is removed from temperature control;" https://www.ehso.uic.edu/UserFiles/Servers/Server_82316/File... pg 36 It's in a different state (each has their own code), but it'll do.

That only applies to "potentially hazardous food". A baked good doesn't fit the definition. Butter in the recipe doesn't matter. A cream filling might, so perhaps that caused some confusion? Also "four hours" isn't really an "end of the day" thing... And if they're in temperature control at the end of the day, then four hours is plenty of time to get them distributed and consumed.

Baked goods, like cakes, are made fresh each morning. They are served at room temperature. At the end of the day, they are thrown out because the health code says so. 4 hours is the Illinois limit.

Here's an FDA list of TCS (Temperature Controlled for Safety) foods:

https://www.education.ne.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/List...

Note butter, whipped cream, eggs, all part of frosting and fillings for baked goods.

Here's the 4 hour window again:

https://www.statefoodsafety.com/Resources/article/category/R...

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by jarcane »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #129
krustyburger wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion that frugality implies poverty is classist, not to mention inaccurate.

Do you deny that there are both rich people and poor people? Do you deny that there are high-end, expensive grocery stores, and low-end, cheap grocery stores? Do you believe poor people shop at those high-end stores? If you answered 3x NO, then nitpicking this point as being "classist" is, to paraphrase, dumb as fuck.

Not to mention the effect of neighborhood re: nearby shopping options. I've lived in very poor and fairly rich neighborhoods, and the difference in quality of local grocery stores is dramatic. There are chains I didn't realize even existed, because they targeted different class neighborhoods. And even within a chain, the level of effort put into a given franchise location can vary pretty dramatically as well.

And that's in the states. In the UK, it's a running joke that the different supermarket chains are subdivided along class lines.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by mosselman »

zuzun wrote: post #113
ryanlol wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This sentence from the same person who just used the phrase "classist as fuck"!? There's nothing classist about acknowledging the fact that poor and rich people often shop in different stores.

The claim is odd though. In my experience, the selection of fruits and vegetables differs mostly in variety, not quality. If there is a quality difference, then it might be the other way around, because supermarkets targeting well-off customers tend to have more organic produce, which is almost always grade B.

Fancy supermarkets probably want 'fancy' fruits and vegetables. 'Fancy' often meaning fancy-looking rather than fancy tasting.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by nathan_f77 »

loosetypes wrote: post #32

It's good that the less shopper-favorable produce is put to use, but I'm always curious about the somewhat analogous-to-ugly-fruits case with milk: Looking at the dairy fridge and choosing solely by expiration date. Naturally, I choose the latest to expire to maximize my options within the consumption time-frame. And I think everyone does? But do you actually care about food waste if every time you make that decision…

> Naturally, I choose the latest to expire to maximize my options within the consumption time-frame. And I think everyone does?

No, I've never done this for milk. I just take the first one on the shelf and trust the supermarket to sell me milk that will last for a few weeks. I don't really look at the price, either. I'm going to buy it anyway so it doesn't seem like very valuable information (same for other staples like bread, rice, butter, etc.)

In the very rare case when the supermarket makes a mistake with expiration dates (maybe once every 10 years), you can just take it back and get some more milk. It would be a very minor inconvenience, so I don't worry about it.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by legostormtroopr »

This is a comment about the presentation of this content, but twitter threads are the worst method for presenting a coherent and compelling argument. They enforce unnatural character limits, lack formatting and links, and the whole twitter echo system encourages "hot takes", eg. 'The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK'

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by Haga »

zuzun wrote: post #113
ryanlol wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This sentence from the same person who just used the phrase "classist as fuck"!? There's nothing classist about acknowledging the fact that poor and rich people often shop in different stores.

The claim is odd though. In my experience, the selection of fruits and vegetables differs mostly in variety, not quality. If there is a quality difference, then it might be the other way around, because supermarkets targeting well-off customers tend to have more organic produce, which is almost always grade B.

Quality usually differs by region? West vs East Europe Chocolat comes to mind.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by SiempreViernes »

feross wrote: post #3

> The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK. You've got to have a debilitating level of ignorance to assume that if Whole Paycheck Market doesn't stock ugly fruit, it must be getting "wasted." It is possible to not know much about the agricultural industry without being "classist as fuck." There are an infinite number of things one can learn about and a finite amount of time. While the content is interesting…

It seems like pretty normal Twitter style?

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by mateus1 »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #147

This is a comment about the presentation of this content, but twitter threads are the worst method for presenting a coherent and compelling argument. They enforce unnatural character limits, lack formatting and links, and the whole twitter echo system encourages "hot takes", eg. 'The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK'

Not really true, though. 280 characters makes for an OK sized paragraph.
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