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Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by zeroname »

feross wrote: post #3

> The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK. You've got to have a debilitating level of ignorance to assume that if Whole Paycheck Market doesn't stock ugly fruit, it must be getting "wasted." It is possible to not know much about the agricultural industry without being "classist as fuck." There are an infinite number of things one can learn about and a finite amount of time. While the content is interesting…

> It is possible to not know much about the agricultural industry without being "classist as fuck."

If you start a social movement, that's the point where you should do some basic research.

> While the content is interesting, I find the condescending tone off-putting.

Pack it up fellows, the tone police has arrived!

> Are there advantages to this communication style that I'm missing?

Ordinary people love it when affluent urban do-gooders get teared a new one. That just can't happen with minced words. As a leftist, you had better find some common ground with common folk when you're carrying around a PhD.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by rendaw »

jompe wrote: post #64
mrob wrote: post #62

>every once in a while you'll run into a variety of produce that only really works for fresh & doesn't lend well to processing. This mostly happens w leafy greens (we don't make … lettuce sauce) I wish I could buy frozen lettuce. Lettuce can be cooked (e.g. for lettuce soup), and cooked lettuce loses the crisp texture, so there's no drawback to freezing it first. The idea that lettuce is only a salad vegetable is an…

In my experience, I've accidentally heated lettuce when making some kind of salad which makes it really bitter. Because of that, I've thought of lettuce as only fresh food. Is that not the case then?

It's good in fried rice too.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by zuzun »

ryanlol wrote: post #91
lucideer wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The offputting tone wouldn't be quite as objectionable (imo) if the argument wasn't so FUCKing wrong. > Most "ugly" produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam, ice cream, etc. You think that stuff gets made from the pretty fruit & veggies?! jeebus, think about it for a minute I've thought about it, and yes, that stuff gets made from the pretty fruit & veggies. Sure, a LOT of it gets made from the rejected "ug…

>This sentence from the same person who just used the phrase "classist as fuck"!? There's nothing classist about acknowledging the fact that poor and rich people often shop in different stores.

The claim is odd though. In my experience, the selection of fruits and vegetables differs mostly in variety, not quality.

If there is a quality difference, then it might be the other way around, because supermarkets targeting well-off customers tend to have more organic produce, which is almost always grade B.

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Post by buboard »

smsm42 wrote: post #18
danaur wrote: post #8

Twitter posts like these have an interesting bullet point writing style you don't see in most places. I personally enjoy this style

It would be much better as a once-piece article. I am still at loss at why people use twitter to write long forms. I mean, you know it's going to be long. Put it on Medium (or whatever, I don't care where it is) and if you need Twitter audience, post a link. Yes, I know threaders exist. But that's solving a problem that shouldn't have existed at the first place. OTOH, in my eyes, posts like that is pretty much the on…

> be much better as a once-piece article

Not really. I hate articles where people ramble on and go full-dostoyevski instead of getting to the point.

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Post by mustardo »

skookumchuck wrote: post #84
loosetypes wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always remember that Noah's Bagels would make certain to throw away excess bagels at the end of the day. It's probably, unfortunately, America-specific, but when I asked why staff said if they gave away "old" baked-goods and someone were to get sick they would be liable to lawsuit.

I know a bakery operator who said the health code required throwing away unsold baked goods with butter content at the end of the day, when I asked him about donating to the homeless. It's not evil or stupid. It's the law.

A law can be evil and or stupid...

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Post by warp_factor »

I thought those sets of tweets interesting and would love to have the views of other people in this field.

I have some friends in silicon valley that subscribed to this online delivery service for ugly produce: https://www.imperfectproduce.com

It looks to me like a mix of too much disposable income, and getting brag rights at dinner party for virtue signaling.

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by zeroname »

alexashka wrote: post #36
feross wrote: post #3

> The "eat ugly fruit!" movement is classist as FUCK. You've got to have a debilitating level of ignorance to assume that if Whole Paycheck Market doesn't stock ugly fruit, it must be getting "wasted." It is possible to not know much about the agricultural industry without being "classist as fuck." There are an infinite number of things one can learn about and a finite amount of time. While the content is interesting…

Twitter has had enough people posting in anger, that it has become culturally acceptable for anyone to do it. I can't help but wonder about the upbringing of the folks who act out in anger, in public (posting on the internet is public). Would you talk this way around your parents, peers, kids? I hope not. The internet is not any different - they're someone's parents, peers and kids, reading your posts.

> I can't help but wonder about the upbringing of the folks who act out in anger, in public...

Come on, man. It's just a rant. I seriously have to wonder about your upbringing.

> The internet is not any different - they're someone's parents, peers and kids, reading your posts.

So what?

Re: Most “ugly” produce gets turned into soups, sauces, salsa, jam

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Post by zeroname »

bjowen wrote: post #118

Welp that’s a rant. Here’s an example where integrated supply chains and arbitrary supermarket standards cause eye-watering levels of waste: https://vimeo.com/223234033

Actually it isn't. It's the same kind of poor research that the rant is about. Those are cosmetic specifications for supermarket stock, nowhere does it say what happens with the produce that doesn't meet them. It's simply insinuated that it goes to waste, but that isn't true.

The supermarkets know very well what kind of produce doesn't sell, so these specs actually prevent waste, because unsold produce that is about to spoil really does go to waste.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

skookumchuck wrote: post #107
Dylan16807 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd want to see a specific law citation before I believe that. I'm sure you're trying to report what he said accurately, but he may have been misleading or mistaken.

"The food shall be cooked and served, served if ready to eat, or discarded within 4 hours from the point in time when the food is removed from temperature control;" https://www.ehso.uic.edu/UserFiles/Servers/Server_82316/File... pg 36 It's in a different state (each has their own code), but it'll do.

That only applies to "potentially hazardous food". A baked good doesn't fit the definition. Butter in the recipe doesn't matter. A cream filling might, so perhaps that caused some confusion?

Also "four hours" isn't really an "end of the day" thing... And if they're in temperature control at the end of the day, then four hours is plenty of time to get them distributed and consumed.

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