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Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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There is also a very stark difference between whipping a dog until it vomits blood for fun, and killing an animal immediatly for food.

> killing an animal immediatly for food. That's often not the case. For instance, male chicks are often killed and discarded solely for not being able to lay eggs, and various other animals are unnecessarily raised in inhumane (meaning "less than human" here) conditions until they are killed, not always for food.

> I understand why people get upset about their companion animal bring purposely hurt, but I don't understand how most everyone in that same demographic has no problem killing (or having killed through their economic transaction) a cow, pig, or chicken.

Im just explaining this.

Yes, killing animals just because they cant lay eggs is fucked up. Animals raised in inhuman conditions is animal abuse and should be followed up as such.

But I do not understand how people can think this is one and the same.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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> Absolute idiots Agreed. You do three things in a crisis: 1) Acknowledge the problem. You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family. "We're opening an investigation" is a chickenshit message. 2) CEO needs to speak. Personal call from the top. If a dog is seriously injured or killed while on your watch, the CEO must make the call. This shows seriousness to the customer. It also ensures top brass feels the pa…

There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

There are people capable of loving their pets as if they were their own children. Just because you're not, doesn't mean they can't. Losing things you're emotionally attached to is very painful. Just because you wouldn't have loved that particular "thing" doesn't mean they can't and doesn't invalidate their suffering. I know it's hard to see beyond your own pain, but that's exactly what empathy is all about. Maybe try it sometime?

> we just have a totally different set of moral axioms and are fundamentally incapable of seeing the world in the same way.

That set of moral axioms you hold was what allowed people - you spiritual ancestors, no doubt - to murder millions and millions of people of different skin color or believing in another god. It's what allowed people to abduct and enslave and murder whole populations for hundreds, thousands of years. The belief that "they are not people, they are beasts, so we can treat them like livestock" is what underlies nearly every atrocity ever committed by the "human beings" you hold so dear as a race.

Today, the set of humans seen as people expanded, which is a good thing. People seem to have learned that people everywhere are fundamentally the same: they feel joy, sadness, rage, love; they all bleed the same when hurt; they all live their lives enduring hardships and enjoying good things.

The thing is, all of that is also true for animals. They are capable of feeling joy and sadness, of getting depressed, of jealousy, of loyalty, of empathy, of fear and anger, of suffering. They cannot voice their opinions, but you know - there are disabled people who also cannot do this, due to disability or brain damage. Such humans are no worse as people than the others: their families love them, care for them, and grieve for them once they depart. Your "moral axioms" are then inconsistent: you should either promote all animals to human status or demote disabled people straight into gas chambers. Just so you know, we've already tried the latter, it wasn't great.

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None of the above should be particularly controversial, these are the basics, so let me finish by citing a poem of Andrzej Bursa I quite like, which (roughly translated[1]), goes like this:

  Children are nicer than adults
  animals are nicer than kids

  you say that thinking this way
  I'll find that the dearest to me
  is paramecium caudatum[2]

  so what

  I prefer paramecium than you
  you son of a bitch

[1] https://wiersze.annet.pl/w,,11217

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramecium_caudatum

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I appreciate you responding and explaining your perspective, even though we may disagree on the issue. > 1/2 the world treats dogs as family Do you think that half the world, if given the choice between saving either their dog or a stranger's child in a disaster situation (e.g. a house fire), would choose their dog?

Yes, absolutely. I know I personally would. Now, if it was between a stranger dog and a stranger child I'd choose the child.

Then you are a terrible and deeply selfish person.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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> Absolute idiots Agreed. You do three things in a crisis: 1) Acknowledge the problem. You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family. "We're opening an investigation" is a chickenshit message. 2) CEO needs to speak. Personal call from the top. If a dog is seriously injured or killed while on your watch, the CEO must make the call. This shows seriousness to the customer. It also ensures top brass feels the pa…

I'm not entirely sure that the third item is correct. Doesn't that risks you having to repeat that whenever there's an accident? Of course a dog walking company shouldn't have that many incidents, but if a number of them hit you together you may have a financial problem. Also, I think that companies are very wary of claiming responsibility because of legal battles. Once they behave like it's their fault, customers ca…

If you have a financial problem in case of bad events happening too often, you should buy insurance.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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This is basically a side effect of the "gig economy." One can even just sell their account (and good will) when they decide to quit dog walking. Pretty scary when you really think about it. Also heard of uber drivers hiring illegal immigrants to drive under their uber account, not sure of the credibility of these reports.

Not really. The whole idea of the 'gig economy' relied on independent contractors being independent entities liable for their own issues, and whom reap the rewards for their own work. Part of the reward is a reputable account as a saleable asset. It's just like selling a company or passing it on to your children. If Joe's Handmans or Joes' Dogwalkers no longer includes "Joe" that's not supposed to be a scary situatio…

"Part of the reward is a reputable account as a saleable asset."

Your assessment is wrong. Joe's plumbing is a legally distinct entity that people understand is represented by a variety of different individuals.

An account on a gig site that represents that you are Joe Smith is different on the face of the matter because you are contractually liable for providing accurate info to potential clients and the company. They signed up for Joe not someone Joe vetted.

You breached the agreement under which you agreed to work with the company that is connecting you to work.

You misled the party hiring the company and if anything goes wrong and you let Bob Johnson masquerade as you have fun getting sued by the agreived party and reaping the bad press.

The company will ultimately delete the account when or if your FRAUD is detected meaning you will also be guilty of defrauding the buyer.

The person using the account is guilty of exceeding authorized access on cfaa you are potentially guilty of assisting them.

If you want the benefits of being a corporation you need to incorporate you cannot fraudulently sell your Joe Smith personal account on wag or Uber or what have you.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Yup. Both our dogs are shelter dogs and we love 'em, but in the newest dog's case--he's probably around three, we've had him for about six months--there are enough issues that a lot of people wouldn't want to deal with some people just couldn't, while still being very good caretakers of better-adjusted dogs. In ours's case: he's not a barker and he's incredibly gentle, but he's both dumb as a post (not the shelter-do…

One of our dogs is a shelter dog and the other was given up on by it's original owner, but never made it to the shelter. Both of them required training and care beyond what most people are prepared to give. I love my dogs, but if I could have avoided the training to get them to where they are now I would have. Yet if we adopt another dog it'll likely be from a shelter or rescue.

IME having other, well trained dogs around as part of your pack helps immensly when training a new addition so hopfully this gets easier with the next. Note this can work against you as well... I still remember the look of "oh shit, we can do that?" on (new rescue) Halo's face when Layla eagerly leaped the 5 foot fence twice in order to retreive a frisbee that had landed in the neighbors yard!

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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It wouldn't surprise me at all. My dog is part of my family. She comes before any stranger.

I can't argue with an opinion, but this is just mind-blowing to me. Judging by everyone else's comments, it doesn't appear like yours is an isolated opinion either. I'm just at a total loss for words. I had no idea so many people value animal life above human life.

It’s mind blowing to me too. However I would probably choose my dog over a child from another race.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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There's no way any insurance company providing the kind of commercial insurance you need to drive for Uber would be okay with a driver using someone else's Uber account, immigrant or otherwise. The finger-pointing likely to result from an incident would make this driver as good as uninsured.

Interesting story but someone I work with was actually severely rear-ended by an Uber driver heading to the airport, and she said the driver's insurance wouldn't cover the driver because the driver was acting as an Uber driver at the time of the accident. Don't know the insurance co., but I definitely remember being shocked by the fact that they wouldn't cover the driver for that reason

I'm shocked that you are shocked. Driving commercially is an entirely different risk profile.

The only way for commercial drivers to be covered by the same policy is to price the risk of an unknown number of commercial drivers into everyones policy.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I can't argue with an opinion, but this is just mind-blowing to me. Judging by everyone else's comments, it doesn't appear like yours is an isolated opinion either. I'm just at a total loss for words. I had no idea so many people value animal life above human life.

I don't think you understand the unconditional love that a dog has for its owner, and the commitment good people make when they choose to get one. For me it is moral and ethical that I put the safety and well being of my dog above people. That doesn't mean that I don't care about others, and it doesn't mean that I would ignore trying to save them once my dog was safe, but it is what is right for me.

Your moral compass is fucked.

Dogs do not think and feel and live as humans do. Humans have thoughts, dreams, hopes, creativity, complex emotions. A rich inner life. Dogs have none of this. That you would prioritise your dog, rather than the life of a human child... is chilling to me. It's beyond selfish.

Disclaimer: I have 2 dogs and 1 cat.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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> Absolute idiots Agreed. You do three things in a crisis: 1) Acknowledge the problem. You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family. "We're opening an investigation" is a chickenshit message. 2) CEO needs to speak. Personal call from the top. If a dog is seriously injured or killed while on your watch, the CEO must make the call. This shows seriousness to the customer. It also ensures top brass feels the pa…

There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

I lost my father when I was younger and I lost a cat that meant a lot to me a couple of years ago that and while they were obviously very different, the pain and loss I feel was quite similar and I miss both of them dearly.

That cat was there for me through some very hard times, in a way no human was. To me, that cat had more value than a lot of humans do. Humans are largely (but luckily not entirely) self absorbed in their own lives and their own problems, the cat was always ready and happy to be with me, no matter what. Obviously there are caring people in the world who go above and beyond for others, but there were few of them when I needed people, so to me, that cat was more important than most people, as she helped me when no person could and gave me the emotional support I needed. So of course losing her was just as painful as losing a person.

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