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Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by dangoor »

LordLandon wrote: post #15

The "Web Console" is pretty awesome, but I don't see a way to close the detailed view things. Also I don't see POST contents in the detailed view things.

Thanks! Glad you like it. We've got some really nice improvements landing in beta 8/9.

You should be able to close the detail panel by using the OS-standard close control on the window. If you don't see that control, that's a bug! (The control certainly shows up on my Mac.)

Request/response bodies are not logged by default because they can be large. If you right-click on the output area, the context menu there has an option to log request/response bodies. I believe beta 7 is the one in which we put in a change so that only the first 1MB of the body is logged.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by mhb »

natmaster wrote: post #45
bambax wrote: post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

Strange, how often do you open/close your browser?

Whenever Firefox memory use has ballooned to over 1GB.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by cryptoz »

nailer wrote: post #68
Tomek_ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it's UI responsiveness - seems I must be one of few people in the world that care about it since I've never seen any article or benchmark on that (there was a couple about startup times), so I'm not even sure if it isn't only a matter of perception, but for me the problem with Firefox is that the UI feels slow, like there is a lag between clicking on an element and an action being taken by the program. Safari…

UI responsiveness never seems to get the love it deserves. That I can count the time taken to respond to right-clicking a project in Eclipse on every machine and OS I have available is shocking. How can people use this software?

I just right-clicked on a project in Navigator in Eclipse. It opened instantly. I have about 10 projects though; maybe you have way more? Not sure what the problem might be on your end, but rest assured Eclipse does not behave that slowly for those that use it.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by pohl »

cryptoz wrote: post #73
nailer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UI responsiveness never seems to get the love it deserves. That I can count the time taken to respond to right-clicking a project in Eclipse on every machine and OS I have available is shocking. How can people use this software?

I just right-clicked on a project in Navigator in Eclipse. It opened instantly. I have about 10 projects though; maybe you have way more? Not sure what the problem might be on your end, but rest assured Eclipse does not behave that slowly for those that use it.

Or, perhaps, a single project that is enormous. Eclipse has rarely felt responsive to me, either.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by weavejester »

angrycoder wrote: post #12

Since they are ripping off the chrome UI part and parcel, I wonder why they still haven't switched to a unified search and location bar.

Funnily enough, one of my few complaints about Chrome is that the location bar doesn't seem as good as the one in Firefox. I tend to use the location bar more often for accessing sites I've been to before, rather than searching for new sites.

Chrome doesn't appear to have a particularly good history search, so I have to type quite a lot before it figures out where I want to go. Conversely, Firefox seems to get it right more often, and with a lot less typing. For example, in Firefox, if I type in "y" in the location bar, it instantly suggests "news.ycombinator.com", which is by far my most frequently visited site with a "y" in it. Chrome suggests "yardoc.org", which I've only visited once or twice several weeks back.

Chrome seems to place a lot more emphasis on matching the address bar in order; so it assumes that if I wanted "news.ycombinator.com", I'd begin with "n". It also seems to rate sites based on how recently I visited them, rather than how often I visit them.

All this means that whilst the Firefox location bar seems to read my mind, the Chrome location bar hardly ever produces relevant results.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by Terretta »

ilitirit wrote: post #58

Seems very buggy. This is what mine looks like: http://imgur.com/64D7h Also, here are a few other issues: * Navigating to www.google.com gives me a 302 page before redirecting me to the localized version (seems like it does this on other sites as well) * The AdBlock icon is missing * No status bar means I can't access my NoScript, MultiProxy Switch, or FireBug addons easily * Sometimes tabs just refuse to close * It…

You got lucky. Mine turned out like this:

http://i.imgur.com/PvjWf.jpg (Sorry, I uploaded PNG, Imgur munged it.)

Had to start in Safe Mode, resetting toolbars and themes didn't fix. Resetting all User Preferences did fix the appearance, but broke 1Password. Reinstalling 1Password (which supports Firefox 4 betas) didn't fix. (Adblock+ and Xmarks worked okay.)

TimeMachine backup from 2 hours ago to the rescue: App, Profile, and Prefs, all's good.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by sp332 »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #21
itistoday wrote: post #2

Congrats Mozilla on the release! Odd title though for this post, for where is the "everyone"? The link shows comparisons to previous versions of Firefox, not other browsers. One thing I hope they fix before final release though is the constant CPU usage when you have many tabs open. I thought the Panorama feature was supposed to address this. It's currently idling at around 25% CPU for me, and no, unfortunately I can…

>It's currently idling at around 25% CPU for me, and no, unfortunately I can't blame it on Flash. :-\ I sometimes notice this too, but always after running a bunch of Flash vids. Haven't methodically tested it, since it's not a priority and a quick restart fixes it. But how do you know it's not Flash?

Flash runs in its own process named "plugin-container", so if Flash crashes it won't take down the rest of the browser. I'm pretty sure that if flash were eating CPU, it would be attributed to the "plugin-container" process and not the "firefox" process.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by pca »

The changing of the Panorama hotkey from ctrl+space to ctrl+e ist slightly annoying. I know that ctrl+k does the same trick and has been there for far more versions, but I've always used ctr+e for the search bar, mainly because that's the one that also works in other browsers. Of course I'm sure it will only take two seconds to find out how to change this back...

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by nailer »

cryptoz wrote: post #73
nailer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UI responsiveness never seems to get the love it deserves. That I can count the time taken to respond to right-clicking a project in Eclipse on every machine and OS I have available is shocking. How can people use this software?

I just right-clicked on a project in Navigator in Eclipse. It opened instantly. I have about 10 projects though; maybe you have way more? Not sure what the problem might be on your end, but rest assured Eclipse does not behave that slowly for those that use it.

I can do this with a single project on Mac OS X 10.6, Ubuntu 10.10, and Windows 7, and I have been able to repeat the observable latency on every machine running Eclipse I have ever seen, including those which were said to be 'fine' by their users.

I suspect it is more a matter of personal tolerance.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Post by sudont »

bambax wrote: post #64
FooBarWidget wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome only shined at startup when I first installed it. Now that I've used it for a while and its browser history has been populated, its startup is now comparable to Firefox.

Chrome is crazy with history; it seems to save everything forever. I delete its history regularly; I had not noticed it had an impact on startup time, though.

There's got to be something with their history implementations. I've got about five months worth of history in Safari and it loads after reboot in a second.
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