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Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

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Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#61

Seems very buggy. This is what mine looks like: http://imgur.com/64D7h Also, here are a few other issues: * Navigating to www.google.com gives me a 302 page before redirecting me to the localized version (seems like it does this on other sites as well) * The AdBlock icon is missing * No status bar means I can't access my NoScript, MultiProxy Switch, or FireBug addons easily * Sometimes tabs just refuse to close * It…

The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar. If it’s not showing up for you then look under View / Toolbars / Add-on Bar. Regarding your other problems, something’s definitely wrong because I can’t reproduce any of them. Maybe try with a new profile? Check the troubleshooting section on http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b7/releasenotes/

Looks like it was because of an incompatible addon.

Edit: NoScript appears to be problematic

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#62
post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

Chrome only shined at startup when I first installed it. Now that I've used it for a while and its browser history has been populated, its startup is now comparable to Firefox.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Odd title though for this post, for where is the "everyone"? The link shows comparisons to previous versions of Firefox, not other browsers. http://arewefastyet.com/ Sunspider’s not a very good benchmark; more interesting to me is that they’re nearly even with V8 in V8’s own benchmark. Though I wonder why they can’t backport TM, or at least a subset, to 3.6; is Firefox so monolithic that improvements to the scripth…

I ran the tests on my Ubuntu 10.10 laptop running Firefox-4.0 Beta8pre and Chrome 9.0.570.0 (64571) and Firefox actually beat Chrome 2943 to 3645 (or a 23% improvement) averaged over two runs. Gotta love browser competition!

don't ever average software benchmarks, it doesn't make sense. always take the best run.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#64
post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

Chrome only shined at startup when I first installed it. Now that I've used it for a while and its browser history has been populated, its startup is now comparable to Firefox.

Chrome is crazy with history; it seems to save everything forever. I delete its history regularly; I had not noticed it had an impact on startup time, though.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#65

Seems very buggy. This is what mine looks like: http://imgur.com/64D7h Also, here are a few other issues: * Navigating to www.google.com gives me a 302 page before redirecting me to the localized version (seems like it does this on other sites as well) * The AdBlock icon is missing * No status bar means I can't access my NoScript, MultiProxy Switch, or FireBug addons easily * Sometimes tabs just refuse to close * It…

The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar. If it’s not showing up for you then look under View / Toolbars / Add-on Bar. Regarding your other problems, something’s definitely wrong because I can’t reproduce any of them. Maybe try with a new profile? Check the troubleshooting section on http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b7/releasenotes/

> The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar.

Is there some alternate way to check where a link is pointing with a mouseover?

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#66
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar. If it’s not showing up for you then look under View / Toolbars / Add-on Bar. Regarding your other problems, something’s definitely wrong because I can’t reproduce any of them. Maybe try with a new profile? Check the troubleshooting section on http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b7/releasenotes/

> The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar. Is there some alternate way to check where a link is pointing with a mouseover?

Yep, look in the location bar. Link targets are shown on the right hand side.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#67
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The status bar has been replaced with the addon bar. Is there some alternate way to check where a link is pointing with a mouseover?

Yep, look in the location bar. Link targets are shown on the right hand side.

Aha sure enough! That's actually quite elegant, thanks very much.

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#68
post #52
post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

For me it's UI responsiveness - seems I must be one of few people in the world that care about it since I've never seen any article or benchmark on that (there was a couple about startup times), so I'm not even sure if it isn't only a matter of perception, but for me the problem with Firefox is that the UI feels slow, like there is a lag between clicking on an element and an action being taken by the program. Safari…

UI responsiveness never seems to get the love it deserves. That I can count the time taken to respond to right-clicking a project in Eclipse on every machine and OS I have available is shocking. How can people use this software?

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#69
post #52
post #38

Browser vendors talk about benchmarks all the time but what really matters to me is startup and closing times; here Chrome really shines and FF3.6 is slow as hell. It's probably about perception; maybe the browser should show a window even if it's not really ready (and maybe there is a problem with plugins and add-ons that need to initialize themselves, etc.) Anyway, how is FF4b7 doing in this regard...?

For me it's UI responsiveness - seems I must be one of few people in the world that care about it since I've never seen any article or benchmark on that (there was a couple about startup times), so I'm not even sure if it isn't only a matter of perception, but for me the problem with Firefox is that the UI feels slow, like there is a lag between clicking on an element and an action being taken by the program. Safari…

Actually, the Chrome team cares a lot about responsiveness and have written and even made videos on the subject. Here's an interview with Peter Kasting (UI engineer) specifically on the topic of UI responsiveness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymgXTdWWNUU&feature=playe...!

Re: Firefox 4.0 Beta 7 - Super fluid, beats everyone on sunspider

#70

Seems very buggy. This is what mine looks like: http://imgur.com/64D7h Also, here are a few other issues: * Navigating to www.google.com gives me a 302 page before redirecting me to the localized version (seems like it does this on other sites as well) * The AdBlock icon is missing * No status bar means I can't access my NoScript, MultiProxy Switch, or FireBug addons easily * Sometimes tabs just refuse to close * It…

I'm curious to see a Chrome screenshot on those wm settings. Obviously you try to minimize the the os memory footprint, so most of the UI enhancements are not really targeted for you.
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