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Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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I'm generally sceptical of all studies about coffee for this very reason. There's a lot of bullshit studies around food and supplements funded with people with strongly vested interests in selling more product. It's a real problem. For any given supplement, you can often find multiple studies supporting its use and multiple studies saying it's harmful. When it comes to coffee specifically, if you listen to the studie…

To some extent isn't that expected? Let's face it - who would spend the money to fund a study on a substance that's been around for hundreds (thousands?) of years? Probably if you're going to spend the money to investigate it, you expect some kind of return. So sadly, all these studies end up being funded by people with an interest in a positive outcome. The bigger question to me is, does that immediately invalidate…

The bigger question to me is, does that immediately invalidate their results?

It warrants skepticism of the strongest variety unless the study can be reliably replicated under better circumstances. Don’t be shocked when it doesn’t happen though.

Like alcohol studies paid for by brewers, this is hard to accept at face value given the knowns. Even when money isn’t pulling the strings, nutrition studies are notoriously unreliable by dint of human variability and the nature of the studies themselves.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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You're welcome! The taste of coffee is pretty tough to resist, I'll admit! They do make decaffeinated coffee, although I've never tried it myself.

I have switched to decaf espresso (for pretty much the same reasons as outlined above). It does not taste as good, but it is close enough - so it is a satisfactory substitute for regular espresso.

I’ve had some success by mixing in a minute amount of baking soda into the coffee immediately before brewing. Probably works best for French press. Literally the smallest amount I could get between my thumb and finger. Ie 1 mg might be more.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Stopped drinking coffee months ago and I have never felt better. Anxiety is down. Sleeplessness is down. General mood is up. Best of all, I no longer get headaches due to Caffeine withdrawal.

When I’m not drinking coffee, I’m less forgetful and think more clearly. I’m less anxious and better in tune with my body. I also feel more myself. But I love coffee and am usually consuming it. Thank you for sharing your experience. I’ll need to try taking a break soon.

Coffee is life.

I've stopped drinking coffee a fews times. Once while working at a coffee company and there was a full espresso bar across the hall from my desk. Not easy.

The trick for me is maintaining the ritual. Tea fulfills that need in me. First to black & green and then to herbal.

Happily, I've learned so much about tea, I love it nearly as much as coffee.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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"Funding This study has been supported by Tchibo GmbH, Hamburg, Germany." Tchibo is a German chain of coffee retailers and cafés known for its range of non-coffee products that change weekly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchibo Number of locations 700 shops (Germany) 300 (rest of world) They might want to make some in-store claims about Dark Roast...

http://www.ico.org/promotion_e.asp

Hmm. This is why climate change deniers can get a foot in the door....

....the door has been jammed open by skewed commercial interests for decades.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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I wonder if they took fast vs slow metabolizers into account. It seems to be healthy only with the fast metabolizers gene:

https://drwillcole.com/caffeine-one-thing-standing-optimal-h...

If you’re a slow caffeine metabolizer:

1. Increased risk of high blood pressure (hypertension).

2. Increased risk of heart attack.

3. Higher chance of digestive disorders.

4. More stress and measurable cortisol spikes.

If you're a fast metobolizer:

1. Longer life.

2. Faster metabolism.

3. Better memory and mood.

4. Lower cancer risk.

5. Better blood sugar + insulin balance.

I'm most assuredly a slow metabolizer since caffeine makes me feel terrible.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Here is nice meta study of coffee and cancer risk (dna damage and cancer are probably linked). https://www.nature.com/articles/srep33711 > coffee intake was associated with reduced risk of oral, pharynx, liver, colon, prostate, endometrial cancer and melanoma and increased lung cancer risk. (Heh. Smokers drink nearly twice as much coffee as non-smokers. Smoking increases caffeine metabolism. I think this explains the…

To your parenthetical comment: May be unrelated, but totally anecdotal, smokers tend to drink a very light roast that is easily drinkable like a folgers or maxwell house, maybe a coffee shop light roast, like a Dunkin. I don't think smokers are downing cups of Starbucks dark blend and if they are god help their stomachs.

The real variable isn’t roast its the brew concentration and to a lesser degree acidity, and most coffee I see served “American” style is pretty diluted so that you can see the cup through it.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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I drink coffee nearly every day; I am reading this in a coffeeshop. But, p = 0.028? Come on. If you tested for a few dozen things, you would expect to find at least one that had a p-value like that. Was this pre-registered to look at only DNA damage, via this metric? Or did they look at 100 different things to find one with p=0.028? Of course, if they pre-registered and their theory was that it would reduce DNA damag…

It's a little annoying if they're cherry-picking but does it really impact the validity of the results? If anything, I'd think they'd have a greater incentive to skew results if they were specifically testing a theory about DNA damage.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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"Funding This study has been supported by Tchibo GmbH, Hamburg, Germany." Tchibo is a German chain of coffee retailers and cafés known for its range of non-coffee products that change weekly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchibo Number of locations 700 shops (Germany) 300 (rest of world) They might want to make some in-store claims about Dark Roast...

It's also a typical horseshit vague claim that almost certainly is the result of p-hacking ludicrous meta-studies and other nasty practices. Same as those damn red wine studies that come out all the time touting its health benefits. There's an astounding number of pure trash studies out there.

No, drinking burnt coffee isn't going to defend anyone's DNA. This is patently absurd. Come on y'all, don't vote for this kind of stuff. Shame.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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"Funding This study has been supported by Tchibo GmbH, Hamburg, Germany." Tchibo is a German chain of coffee retailers and cafés known for its range of non-coffee products that change weekly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchibo Number of locations 700 shops (Germany) 300 (rest of world) They might want to make some in-store claims about Dark Roast...

I'm generally sceptical of all studies about coffee for this very reason. There's a lot of bullshit studies around food and supplements funded with people with strongly vested interests in selling more product. It's a real problem. For any given supplement, you can often find multiple studies supporting its use and multiple studies saying it's harmful. When it comes to coffee specifically, if you listen to the studie…

> However, it's a stimulant, it increases cortisol (stress hormone). Stimulants generally makes the body prioritize immediate energy spending over regeneration/healing. There's been a study claiming that caffeine decreases neurogenesis, which should negatively impact both long-term memory and mood.

All true.

Now, by the same token, I am wondering about the effects of decaf. You know, all the alleged "good stuff", none of the sympathetic-nervous-system-stimulation.

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