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Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by andy_ppp »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #19
1_over_n wrote: post #15

"Funding This study has been supported by Tchibo GmbH, Hamburg, Germany." Tchibo is a German chain of coffee retailers and cafés known for its range of non-coffee products that change weekly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchibo Number of locations 700 shops (Germany) 300 (rest of world) They might want to make some in-store claims about Dark Roast...

I'm generally sceptical of all studies about coffee for this very reason. There's a lot of bullshit studies around food and supplements funded with people with strongly vested interests in selling more product. It's a real problem. For any given supplement, you can often find multiple studies supporting its use and multiple studies saying it's harmful. When it comes to coffee specifically, if you listen to the studie…

Completely - you could also say that reducing DNA damage might actually also decrease immune system surveillance that might be happening causing worse than expected outcomes. Imagine if a lot of cells that might have killed themselves stay alive because of drinking coffee might actually turn out to be a bad thing. We just don't know enough to say for sure and these sort of studies are wildly difficult to get mortality figures from.

We still aren't even sure what general diet is fully optimal long term let alone if one constituent can give actual life expectancy benefits.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by swsieber »

rubicon33 wrote: post #49
tachyonbeam wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm generally sceptical of all studies about coffee for this very reason. There's a lot of bullshit studies around food and supplements funded with people with strongly vested interests in selling more product. It's a real problem. For any given supplement, you can often find multiple studies supporting its use and multiple studies saying it's harmful. When it comes to coffee specifically, if you listen to the studie…

To some extent isn't that expected? Let's face it - who would spend the money to fund a study on a substance that's been around for hundreds (thousands?) of years? Probably if you're going to spend the money to investigate it, you expect some kind of return. So sadly, all these studies end up being funded by people with an interest in a positive outcome. The bigger question to me is, does that immediately invalidate…

It depends on the ratio of studies funded vs studies published.

I wouldn't be surprised if around 90-95% of special interest funded studies that aim for a p value of aren't published.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by slothtrop »

devereaux wrote: post #11

Odd days: research shows coffee is good for you Even days: research shows coffee is bad for you

I mean more often than not, news touts the good side. What's thought to be negative anymore, aside from cafesol which can be filtered?

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by gammateam »

1_over_n wrote: post #15

"Funding This study has been supported by Tchibo GmbH, Hamburg, Germany." Tchibo is a German chain of coffee retailers and cafés known for its range of non-coffee products that change weekly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tchibo Number of locations 700 shops (Germany) 300 (rest of world) They might want to make some in-store claims about Dark Roast...

Yeaaaaaaah but who else would do the study

Cmon use your head here

Whether its the sugar company or the coffee company, who else would do the study just so some college conspiracy theorists dont make a netflix documentary

NOBODY

Its okay to acknowledge the conflict of interest thats literally what the disclaimer is for, but lets not pretend like a more objective version of this study would have ever happened

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by bluebeard25 »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #28

I have a simple rule in my life: Anything that is addictive is harmful to us. Coffee falls in that bucket.

You're going to need a bigger bucket then.

The problem with simple rules is it removes all nuance. For example, when smoked tobacco is extremely addictive and therefore harmful according to you. But then you would ignore all the other practical, medicinal uses that tobacco has when used with wound dressing and pain relief.

Of course that's not a perfect comparison to coffee and caffeine, but just because you've got people hard-addicted to Starbucks lattes and espresso doesn't mean caffeine is flat-out harmful to us all.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by slothtrop »

ilaksh wrote: post #37
Symmetry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's both good and bad for you depending on which health indicators you look at. People tend to treat "Coffee prevents cancer" and "Coffee raises blood pressure" as if they contradicted each other but really they don't. The whole thing is very dose dependant too. Correlationally life expectancy maxes out at around 3 cups per day but I doubt that's the causal maximum.

I don't buy it. I love coffee and caffeine in general but it's just a stimulant. I personally believe the net effect is to make your body work harder to get through the day. I think it's bad unless you were funded by the coffee industry.

Even if being a stimulant were its only property, what makes it decidedly bad? Researchers understand it as a stimulant as it is, they're not evaluating its worth "despite" being a stimulant. If consumption in small doses poses a net harm for that reason, there ought to be stronger consensus, which is lacking.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #50
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #42

Stopped drinking coffee months ago and I have never felt better. Anxiety is down. Sleeplessness is down. General mood is up. Best of all, I no longer get headaches due to Caffeine withdrawal.

When I’m not drinking coffee, I’m less forgetful and think more clearly. I’m less anxious and better in tune with my body. I also feel more myself. But I love coffee and am usually consuming it. Thank you for sharing your experience. I’ll need to try taking a break soon.

You're welcome!

The taste of coffee is pretty tough to resist, I'll admit!

They do make decaffeinated coffee, although I've never tried it myself.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by clairity »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #50
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #42

Stopped drinking coffee months ago and I have never felt better. Anxiety is down. Sleeplessness is down. General mood is up. Best of all, I no longer get headaches due to Caffeine withdrawal.

When I’m not drinking coffee, I’m less forgetful and think more clearly. I’m less anxious and better in tune with my body. I also feel more myself. But I love coffee and am usually consuming it. Thank you for sharing your experience. I’ll need to try taking a break soon.

i also love coffee, so i do periods of decaf-only to re-balance my caffeine tolerance. decaf doesn't taste good by itself, but milk and sugar (which is how i usually drink coffee, whether espresso or not) tolerably dampens the inferior taste.

Re: Consumption of a dark roast coffee blend reduces DNA damage in humans

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Post by eggy »

rubicon33 wrote: post #49
tachyonbeam wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm generally sceptical of all studies about coffee for this very reason. There's a lot of bullshit studies around food and supplements funded with people with strongly vested interests in selling more product. It's a real problem. For any given supplement, you can often find multiple studies supporting its use and multiple studies saying it's harmful. When it comes to coffee specifically, if you listen to the studie…

To some extent isn't that expected? Let's face it - who would spend the money to fund a study on a substance that's been around for hundreds (thousands?) of years? Probably if you're going to spend the money to investigate it, you expect some kind of return. So sadly, all these studies end up being funded by people with an interest in a positive outcome. The bigger question to me is, does that immediately invalidate…

Yes, I agree, and expect people, companies or whatever to act in their own self-interest, so no implication it is rigged because it may be self-serving. However, I am more suspicious of the study, and studies in general after the recent wave that uncovered an epidemic of unsound statistical methods being used in studies across multiple disciplines. Unfortunately, I am not proficient enough in statistics to vet these things out for myself most of the time, so I remain skeptical, and similarly cliche with the Edgar Allen Poe quote:

“You are young yet, my friend,” replied my host, “but the time will arrive when you will learn to judge for yourself of what is going on in the world, without trusting to the gossip of others. Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see."

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