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Here's what happens next: - A motion of no confidence has been tabled and will be debated and voted on tomorrow - If the motion carries (i.e. the Government loses): 1. Theresa May must resign as Prime Minister 2. There can be a 14 day window in which a new government is formed, which must be approved by a motion of confidence. This is likely to be waived 3. There will be a general election. Theresa May will remain le…
There is no chance of that.
Here's what happens next: - A motion of no confidence has been tabled and will be debated and voted on tomorrow - If the motion carries (i.e. the Government loses): 1. Theresa May must resign as Prime Minister 2. There can be a 14 day window in which a new government is formed, which must be approved by a motion of confidence. This is likely to be waived 3. There will be a general election. Theresa May will remain le…
> She will go back to the EU and demand a new deal, likely with a hard time limit on the NI backstop, the main issue that caused tonight's defeat Don't think that's going to be enough to swing 230 votes.
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Edit: I got a bit carried away.
> all calls for a second referendum would be treated with utter contempt Yes but it's symmetrical. If result A then calls for second referendum greeted with derision by side B If result B then calls for second referendum greeted with derision by side A So no conclusion can be drawn by the fact that people are partisan. The question of whether a second referendum is a good idea is independent of the result of the firs…
Imagine if all the great minds thinking, discussing, reporting and debating brexit spent their time on solving real problems facing the human race instead.
Politics should be utterly boring, instead we get this endless theatrics. Politics should not be entertaining at all. Same goes for finance & banking. These jobs should be the most boring jobs in the world. Just get on with it, and forget about all the posturing and game-of-thrones crap.
This has been systematically dismantled and much of the responsibility now given to agencies. They don't necessarily share the same aims. Agencies are now major contributors to political parties and a dispassionate approach no longer exists.
A great quote - no one wants innovative bankers. The UK has made this a reality in the political sphere.
A new normal will emerge.
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> I have no idea why the extreme brexiteers find this idea so objectionable? Because it's a slippery slope that looks very much like ceding territory. It's not just border checks, but Northern Ireland would be effectively in the EU as far as customs rules and tariffs. Otherwise, you could circumvent the EU tariffs by importing in the UK, moving the goods "internally" to NE then loading them on a truck and unloading s…
The alternative is a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which the UK specifically agreed not to do in the Good Friday Agreement. A hard border, combined with the overwhelming preference of North Irish to remain in the EU, increases the chance of a successful North Irish referendum for unification with Ireland. If the UK allows such a referendum and Ireland unifies, then the UK is ceding…
I don't think that the Good Friday Agreement does say this, I would like a reference if you can provide one.
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> A "no deal" outcome, which is clearly bad, is still the best thing brexiters can actually deliver. It could go much much worse than just "bad". The UK imports a lot of food from EU neighbors. In case of a hard Brexit, this will just ... stop. The question is whether all supermarkets can immediately redo their supply chains. That is not likely. Especially since the UK will loose all trade agreements with the non-EU…
Corpses in the street? The UK imports around 25% of food-related commodities from the EU. Even with no deal, these imports will continue (as the EU has to sell them to someone.) Even if the EU stopped, there would not be corpses in the street as there happens to be a very wealthy English-speaking country not too far away that happens to produce more food than any country on the planet and is more than willing to trad…
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/15/food-and-brexit...
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Brexit itself can of course be delivered, but the larger promise sold to voters - that the country would be able to negotiate favorable trade deals, that it would directly result in increased NHS funding, that it would lead to reduced immigration without affecting free movement for workers, that customs and border control would be seamless, that European court of justice would stop having jurisdiction in UK affairs e…
Indeed; a lot of people subscribe to the view that the vote delivered the 'incorrect' result because one side was more effective at lying than the other side. Very difficult to know where to draw a line; my feeling is that even if history shows the people were wrong the government should not be allowed to (directly or indirectly) do something other than what they were elected to do - i.e. serve the people (on a plate…
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There's elsewhere in the thread where people discuss knowing Leave voters and just how strongly they feel about it. Some comments are even talking about civil war on the mainland if we back out of it. I feel the British media have gone back to hiding significant swathes of the UK from being shown on screen or print/online, so us more liberal types are deluding ourselves that there's some sort of consensus about a 2nd…
It’s almost comical (if it wasn’t so pathetically sad) how divided and polarised the country is. My mother and her entire extended friend circles are aggressively pro-leave, even tofting sound-bites at me. A little further south/east (mum lives in Coventry) in Kettering my friend is pro-leave, but not aggressively so, his soon-to-be wife is remain, but they tout their points and agree to disagree. Further south in Lo…
Not living in the UK, but I would guess that as stupid as Remainers might think Brexit is and Brexiters are, it‘s a whole other ballgame to assume that because they are stupid you are entitled to nullify a vote.
And because of that, even though a lot in the EU are rooting for it, I doubt a second referendum is going to take place.
Even die-hard remainers would ask themselves: Is being part of the EU, is being ecomically better off (or at least more stable in the near-term) worth to taint our democracy (or as you point out even go to riots and worse)?
Article 50 exists. The UK can leave on WTO terms and the EU cannot stop it. The EU has some incentives (money) to give the UK some other deal than WTO terms, and it has some incentives (avoiding a rush to the exits) to give the UK nothing more than WTO terms. As it happens the UK is wealthier than other EU countries that might head for the exits if they thought they could get as good a deal as the UK, but no one thin…
They are basicslly just a framework. You still need to negotiate with each other.
For example, the other country will want papers with your goods. Which forms needs to be filled out? With which information? The WTO doesn't regulate that. You still need to agree on all the technicalities.
You only get some limit on tariffs for free, basically.
The issue with the referendum since the beginning was leave was such a nebulous cloud for the entire range of Brexit from barely-there-Brexit to Britian-stands-alone(-get-those-people-out)-Brexit while remain had a very definite meaning. Because of that everyone could pour all their displeasure at anything wrong into leave and think the deal would take care of it. That's why I'm always annoyed at the 'another referen…
Edit: I got a bit carried away.
Since the referendum new facts have come to light, that of what an exit deal would look like. New facts should allow for a new vote.
If remain had won, there would be no new facts so why would another vote be justified?