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Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament

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Re: Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament

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post #23

The whole thing seems like a slow motion train wreck, except with the potentially and arguably happy outcome of them remaining in the EU.

It's interesting to see this popular sentiment at the same time as the EU is loudly complained about concerning their new internet rules.

The Copyright Directive is awful, sure, but the UK has orders of magnitude bigger fish to fry right now.

Re: Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament

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post #4

So, will they now re-evaluate the whole Brexit? It's clear it was a failed idea to begin with.

As far as I understand this vote wasn't intended to oppose brexit as a whole, it was intended to oppose brexit under recently negotiated terms. As in - they still want out, they just don't like that specific deal.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't understand (and I am very ignorant!) is why the initial vote can't just be looked at as a stage in the decision process. Time has gone on, and the public has become more educated as to what the true effects of Brexit will be. Even leaving aside the question of how dishonest the pro-Brexit arguments were. It just seems reasonable to have another vote.

Because this would imply a public referendum is impotent - if you don't like the outcome, you can just keep campaigning and try again later.

It was a non-binding referendum - they could have “carefully examined” the result for a week and then tossed it in the trash, politely declining the “advice” of the populace.

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Imagine if all the great minds thinking, discussing, reporting and debating brexit spent their time on solving real problems facing the human race instead.

Why do you assume that time spent thinking, discussing, reporting and debating how a country is governed is not a good use of time?

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Imagine if all the great minds thinking, discussing, reporting and debating brexit spent their time on solving real problems facing the human race instead.

Real problems like how to get people click more ads and how to create useless cryptocurrencies that lots of great (and arguably not so great) minds seem to be nowadays primarily occupied with?

(Yep, loads of sarcasm here)

Re: Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear, article 50 hasn't been revoked, the UK will still leave the EU with no deal on March 30th. This vote is very damaging to the government's position, but as it stands there's been no move, assurance, or guarantees, to stop article 50. If article 50 is activated it starts a two year countdown as the UK slowly moves out of the EU. Even if the government loses the no confidence vote, there's still no imp…

If they are smart, they'll axe Brexit completely now and admit how they misled everyone about its benefits.

If they were smart, we wouldn’t have spent the last two years on this xenophobe-appeasing nonsense.

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post #16
post #5

Don't fully understand UK government structure but is it possible for the labor party to take over leadership and revoke article 50 before the deadline?

There's a confidence motion tomorrow evening at 7PM GMT. My understanding is, if the government loses a general election is triggered which takes a couple of months. So a new government could be in place before March 29th. However, I think if a general election was to happen then all sides would agree to ask for an extension to Article 50 and allow a few extra months for the new government to decide what to do. Anoth…

The opposition is allowed to ask for up to 14 days to form a government. In this case, that's highly unlikely as it would require a broad referendum...

Re: Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this would imply a public referendum is impotent - if you don't like the outcome, you can just keep campaigning and try again later.

It was a non-binding referendum - they could have “carefully examined” the result for a week and then tossed it in the trash, politely declining the “advice” of the populace.

Oh yes, that would have gone over incredibly well.

Re: Brexit Deal Fails in Parliament

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't understand (and I am very ignorant!) is why the initial vote can't just be looked at as a stage in the decision process. Time has gone on, and the public has become more educated as to what the true effects of Brexit will be. Even leaving aside the question of how dishonest the pro-Brexit arguments were. It just seems reasonable to have another vote.

Because this would imply a public referendum is impotent - if you don't like the outcome, you can just keep campaigning and try again later.

How are referendums brought to a vote? We don't have such a thing in the US. Certain states do, but not the country.

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post #5

Don't fully understand UK government structure but is it possible for the labor party to take over leadership and revoke article 50 before the deadline?

Isn't the labor party also against revoking article 50? Corbyn at least? I thought it was only the liberal party that has been consistent in arguing for revoking it.

Corbyn is anti-EU, Labour is pro-EU, Corbyn is on record as saying it's a party matter and he will back the consensus.

Which is why we have the hilarity of a pro-remain PM in charge of us leaving and a pro-leave opposition leader in charge of trying to get us to remain.

UK politics is bonkers at the moment.

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