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EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Right to be Forgotten, GDPR, and now this... pretty soon the barrier to entry will be so high that no new players would be able to get off the ground with an internet company in Europe.

I want to open a i-shirt store and I'm in the EU. None of these will prevent me. Edit: typo... t-shirt

very innovative. meanwhile this will likely cost a lot to qwertee

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I'm glad you find it hillarious. You must not be paying for it.

For anybody following along, this kind of garbage rhetoric is exactly how Brexit started. 1. Spread misinformation and sow discontent against the EU 2. ??? 3. Profit

I think this formulation is a bit more accurate:

1. Mention an obscure irritant that is superficially not the EU's fault, and blame the EU for it

2. EU supporters pile on and say that this is what all anti-EU arguments are like

3. When examined in more detail, the irritant actually IS the EU's fault

4. People then accept #2 as true, and hate the EU more (since apparently if they examined all the obvious BS about the EU more closely, they'd find it to be true)

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

You know why the EU overregulates? Because EU countries individually overregulate. And you know why that is? Because European people ask for new regulation every single time something goes wrong or might go wrong in the future or is a little bit unfair in some rare cases.

In the UK, we now have a debate about regulating portion sizes of ready meals, because some people are overweight. If you have voters and politicians who will even start to think about regulating this sort of thing, you're bound to end up with massive overregulation.

Sometimes the choice we have is between 28 different ridiculously convoluted and completely unnecessary laws or just one ridiculously convoluted and completely unnecessary law.

Your Unix metaphor is flawed. Countries are not special purpose tools. They don't do different things. They all do largely the same things in slightly different ways. So each country on its own already comes with all the issues that we criticise in monolythic software.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Europe is however more likely than the US is to get bad quickly. It became a bad place to live for example from 1914 through 1918 and then again from 1939 through 1945 with, e.g., shortages of food and other life essentials while the US remained OK unless you were in the small fraction of the population that got drafted into the US military (and even then you would not have endured food shortages). Although the creat…

War within the EU is really really unlikely. A successful part of the EEC/EU is integrating the economies of its countries to such an extend that war becomes economically un-viable. Nowadays war between France and Germany is close to as absurd a thought as a war between Calafornia and Texas is. It's not remotely comparable to 1900-1950. Russia is the largest threat for European countries, but currently an attack on a…

That's what experts were saying before 1914, too: war is really unlikely because the economies are more integrated than they have ever been.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anybody following along, this kind of garbage rhetoric is exactly how Brexit started. 1. Spread misinformation and sow discontent against the EU 2. ??? 3. Profit

I might not put things in quite such confrontational terms, but the general complaint some people are making here is valid. The EU does have a track record of taking on technical issues without adequately understanding them and so legislating with perhaps good intentions but not always good results. This has caused significant damage to many organisations because of (presumably) unintended side effects, and obviously…

So do all governments. It's just easier to hate the EU

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

Yeah. Remove EU and I'm sure Russia will be happy to take over your little countries. Individually European countries are pretty weak. They're only strong as a common entity.

Not sure why you can't have an alliance among smaller countries without all the regulations. It seems orthogonal to me.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #8

Right to be Forgotten, GDPR, and now this... pretty soon the barrier to entry will be so high that no new players would be able to get off the ground with an internet company in Europe.

It’s almost like the EU is a failed experiment and it’s time to dissolve it.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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To get around the linking to news sites problem, couldn't search engines just not provide ANY links to news sites? Who defines what a "news" site is? Is there a strict definition? Anybody with a website? If it's something I have not read or known before, it's "news" to me no matter how old or from where.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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What about those of us who don't live in Europe?

You contact your country's foreign intelligence agency.

Or foreign trade representative agency. There are above-board ways to handle this too.
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