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EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by dtech »

morsma wrote: post #27
emptyfile wrote: post #23

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>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this Can you name anything the EU has done well?

Forced an end to high roaming charges for within-EU mobile usage and forbade charging for receiving SMS while abroad.

Removed internal borders, so you can travel from Denmark to Spain without 5 border crossings.

Created a common market, so you can order an item from a German web shop as a Belgium citizen without hurdles.

Made war between European countries economically unattractive because economies are closely intertwined.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by kazen44 »

morsma wrote: post #27
emptyfile wrote: post #23

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>I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact Well when you write obviously non factual nonsense like >The EU is the opposite: One giant thing which does nothing well You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this >In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkle…

>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this Can you name anything the EU has done well?

allowed for unproppeled growth across europe? The internal market is a massive advantage.

Also, throwing it weight around on the geopolitical stage has been proven more then useful for european nations, compared to getting picked off by either china/USA/Russia.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by kazen44 »

Ralfp wrote: post #57
lbj wrote: post #22

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Pretty sure NATO would survive the dismantling of some bureaucracy.

NATO is military pact. EU has economic advantages for member states like single market and trade union (so you can't create trade agreement in WTO sense with single EU member).

Also, the EU has a common defence clause aswell, so all EU member states are practically under the same defence umberella, even if they aren't into NATO.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by pitaj »

progre wrote: post #58
pitaj wrote: post #55

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Any regulation is a barrier to entry. The more complicated the regulation is, the worse it is for competition. Of course tax law has stopped people from innovating. It's one of the biggest drains on competition and economic growth. Taxes would be the biggest source of economic efficiency even if they weren't as complex as they are.

It can work the other way too. GDPR is not very complicated and a new actor would have a big advantage in designing their system to be compliant from the start.

GDPR isn't so bad, but it is pretty vague. Holding IP Addresses in server logs may or may not violate GDPR.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by hollerith »

dmitriid wrote: post #60
morsma wrote: post #27

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>You tend to get downvoted. When you write hilarious nonsense like this Can you name anything the EU has done well?

"Europe is still the closest thing to paradise on Earth" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/19/europe... It's from 2012, but the vast majority of what's said there is still true.

Europe is however more likely than the US is to get bad quickly. It became a bad place to live for example from 1914 through 1918 and then again from 1939 through 1945 with, e.g., shortages of food and other life essentials while the US remained OK unless you were in the small fraction of the population that got drafted into the US military (and even then you would not have endured food shortages).

Although the creation of the EU was motivated in large part to prevent the recurrence of that sort of badness, the EU does not have the power to restrain the militaries of the individual European countries. Note that the EU was shown not to have the power to compel the Italian government that came to power because of the general election of March 2018 to adhere to EU regulations on deficit spending.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by goto11 »

diminoten wrote: post #16
lixtra wrote: post #9

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RTFA: > If you live in the rest of Europe: please contact the ministers working on the Copyright in the Digital Single Market directive. We'll update this page with more information as we get it.

What about those of us who don't live in Europe?

You contact your country's foreign intelligence agency.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by Dumbdo »

hollerith wrote: post #65
dmitriid wrote: post #60

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"Europe is still the closest thing to paradise on Earth" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/19/europe... It's from 2012, but the vast majority of what's said there is still true.

Europe is however more likely than the US is to get bad quickly. It became a bad place to live for example from 1914 through 1918 and then again from 1939 through 1945 with, e.g., shortages of food and other life essentials while the US remained OK unless you were in the small fraction of the population that got drafted into the US military (and even then you would not have endured food shortages). Although the creat…

There was no such thing as a European Union in WWI and II, which the discussion is about. That's why I don't understand how your comment is relevant here.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Post by dtech »

hollerith wrote: post #65
dmitriid wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Europe is still the closest thing to paradise on Earth" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/19/europe... It's from 2012, but the vast majority of what's said there is still true.

Europe is however more likely than the US is to get bad quickly. It became a bad place to live for example from 1914 through 1918 and then again from 1939 through 1945 with, e.g., shortages of food and other life essentials while the US remained OK unless you were in the small fraction of the population that got drafted into the US military (and even then you would not have endured food shortages). Although the creat…

War within the EU is really really unlikely. A successful part of the EEC/EU is integrating the economies of its countries to such an extend that war becomes economically un-viable.

Nowadays war between France and Germany is close to as absurd a thought as a war between Calafornia and Texas is. It's not remotely comparable to 1900-1950.

Russia is the largest threat for European countries, but currently an attack on a NATO member seems unlikely.

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